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Mon Jun 30, 2014, 05:08 PM Jun 2014

Church leaders' condescension an affront to Catholic laity's intelligence

Kelly Stewart earned her Master of Arts in religion at Yale Divinity School, where she studied feminist and queer theory and Catholic sexual and reproductive ethics. She is a former Loretto Volunteer.

by Kelly Stewart | Jun. 30, 2014

Reading " 'Sensus Fidei' in the Life of the Church" prompted me to revisit Rebecca Solnit's "Men Explain Things to Me." Solnit's 2008 essay is something of an Internet classic, famous largely for the feminist portmanteau, "mansplaining," that it inspired: "Men explain things to me, and other women," she writes, "whether or not they know what they're talking about."

As a Catholic feminist and appreciator of puns, I've long aspired to coin a term for the distinctly Catholic form of mansplaining to which I am so frequently subjected. (Ex cathedrasplaining? I tried.)

Several times in divinity school, I heard conservative Catholic students (often men) complain that their liberal Catholic professors (often women) didn't really grasp church teaching. It would be easy to dismiss that sort of thing as so much sophomoric hot air except that it followed such a specific pattern.

Similarly, more than a few classmates responded to my support for birth control by patiently explaining that sex has both a unitive and a procreative end, that opposition to "artificial" contraception is part of historic Christianity, and that countless married couples credit natural family planning with fostering communication and strengthening their relationships.

http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/church-leaders-condescension-affront-catholic-laitys-intelligence

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Church leaders' condescension an affront to Catholic laity's intelligence (Original Post) rug Jun 2014 OP
I too have come across the attitude she complains of Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2014 #1
It isn't just the Catholics... CBHagman Jul 2014 #2
And when Church teachings change Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2014 #3

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
1. I too have come across the attitude she complains of
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 09:26 AM
Jul 2014

"The idea that intelligent, well schooled Catholics maturely and soundly examine the church's logic and find it to be mistaken and/or contrary to their faith experience never enters the picture." I have considered such things as the teaching on contraception and

Justin Martyr, in his First Apology, wrote

Reason directs those who are truly pious and philosophical to honour and love only what is true, declining to follow traditional opinions, if these be worthless. For not only does sound reason direct us to refuse the guidance of those who did or taught anything wrong, but it is incumbent on the lover of truth, by all means, and if death be threatened, even before his own life, to choose to do and say what is right.


And some of the teachings are worthless. The argument used by John Paul II, in his Ordinatio Sacerdotalis amounts to "Women cannot be ordained because I say so. Now you are to shut up on the subject." Did JPII think we are all five-year-olds? Because that argument has never worked with anyone over the age of 5, and is rightly rejected by many who are even younger. If they give us good arguments, like JPII did in his encyclical Evangelium Vitae, when he argued quite cogently that capital punishment is not inherently immoral, but there are essentially no circumstances in which it is morally licit.

In the Summa Theologica, I-II, q 19 art 5, Aquinas says explicitly that one must follow one's conscience, even if the conscience is in error. He says that you are obligated to inform your conscience, through study, thought and prayer.

CBHagman

(16,984 posts)
2. It isn't just the Catholics...
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 11:25 PM
Jul 2014

...though, like guilt-fomenting, they have a special aptitude for it.

This passage from the article deserves a shout-out:

[url]http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/church-leaders-condescension-affront-catholic-laitys-intelligence[/url]

Flannery O'Connor rightly described smugness as "the Great Catholic Sin," but the problem with "Sensus Fidei" and arguments like it runs deeper than good old-fashioned condescension. The authors aren't just suggesting that most laypeople are insufficiently intelligent, holy or educated to interpret their own moral lives. They've also leveled the charge of ignorance in such a way that, short of reversing their position, dissenting voices have no way to defend themselves. After all, the proof of our failure to understand church teaching is our failure to embrace it. Only by agreeing can we demonstrate our faith, virtue and understanding.

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
3. And when Church teachings change
Wed Jul 2, 2014, 09:14 AM
Jul 2014

The faithful are supposed to follow suit like a 1930s Stalinist following the party line.

No, the attitude of your beliefs are properly formed if and only if they follow the party line is arrogant at best.

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