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rug

(82,333 posts) Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:09 PM Jul 2016

‘A Pope Francis Catholic’: Now that Tim Kaine is Clinton’s VP pick, will his faith matter?

Sen. Tim Kaine, D-Va., speaks to reporters following a discussion on immigration reform at Unitarian Universalist Church of Arlington, Va., on Thursday. (AP/Manuel Balce Ceneta)

By Michelle Boorstein and Julie Zauzmer
July 22 at 8:48 PM

Many of the most circulated names for Hillary Clinton’s vice presidential pick are Catholic – a fact that both says a lot about the influence of America’s huge Catholic population, but also reveals, when you look more closely, how far the country has moved away from basic religious tribalism.

Clinton on Friday chose U.S. Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.), a former missionary who personally opposes abortion and who pleased anti-abortion advocates earlier in his political career by saying he would aim to reduce the number of abortions by promoting adoption and abstinence education.

Yet it’s not clear what impact Kaine’s faith — or that of any Catholic — would have on voters.

American Catholics have been growing in recent decades in political power and diversity. While they were once a Democratic voting bloc, today they are divided, particularly by ethnicity. Latino Catholics – 34 percent of U.S. Catholics are Hispanic – prefer Clinton to Trump by a huge margin of 77 to 16 percent. Among white Catholics, the preference is Trump by a margin of 50 to 46 percent, according to the Pew Research Center.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/07/22/a-pope-francis-catholic-if-clinton-picks-tim-kaine-will-his-faith-matter/

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‘A Pope Francis Catholic’: Now that Tim Kaine is Clinton’s VP pick, will his faith matter? (Original Post) rug Jul 2016 OP

Kaine would be the second Catholic VP in a row. (nt) Skinner Jul 2016 #1

With Pence, that's a 100% certainty. rug Jul 2016 #2

Pence is a CINO No Vested Interest Jul 2016 #6

Remember the "indelible mark"? rug Jul 2016 #7

Orthodox Catholics recognize the "indelible mark," as regards the sacraments No Vested Interest Jul 2016 #8

It's a bold choice in many respects. Some will be attracted - others repelled. My guess is the jonno99 Jul 2016 #3

The main advantage I see is that it increases the chances in Virginia. rug Jul 2016 #4

Agreed. Methinks (at least from where we sit now) that it's going to be a nail-biter, and jonno99 Jul 2016 #5

Skinner

(63,645 posts)

1. Kaine would be the second Catholic VP in a row. (nt)

Reply to rug (Original post)

Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:12 PM

Jul 2016

rug

(82,333 posts)

2. With Pence, that's a 100% certainty.

Reply to Skinner (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:14 PM

Jul 2016

But it won't be Pence.

No Vested Interest

(5,167 posts)

6. Pence is a CINO

Reply to rug (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:28 PM

Jul 2016

Catholic in Name Only, and we're not even sure he calls himself a Catholic at this time. (He won't say.)

Just because one was brought up in a Catholic family doesn't men one remains Catholic, as many DUers who respond in the Religion Forum make quite clear.

Ohio's Gov. Kasich was raised Catholic but chose another faith along the way (his right to do so), but we wouldn't claim that he is Catholic in 2016.

rug

(82,333 posts)

7. Remember the "indelible mark"?

Reply to No Vested Interest (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:31 PM

Jul 2016

I think that's the first four syllable word I learned.

No Vested Interest

(5,167 posts)

8. Orthodox Catholics recognize the "indelible mark," as regards the sacraments

Reply to rug (Reply #7)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 01:27 AM

Jul 2016

of baptism, confirmation, and holy orders, just as they recognize the doctrine of Transubstantiation.

Orthodox Catholics also recognize the "indelible mark" of baptism being valid in numerous Christian religions.
Therefore, a person could, either with or without full knowledge, act or declare oneself to be a Christian by virtue of baptism while at the same time removing oneself from the practice of Catholicism.

jonno99

(2,620 posts)

3. It's a bold choice in many respects. Some will be attracted - others repelled. My guess is the

Reply to rug (Original post)

Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:14 PM

Jul 2016

campaign has done the math ...

rug

(82,333 posts)

4. The main advantage I see is that it increases the chances in Virginia.

Reply to jonno99 (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:17 PM

Jul 2016

And without losing a Democratic seat in the Senate.

jonno99

(2,620 posts)

5. Agreed. Methinks (at least from where we sit now) that it's going to be a nail-biter, and