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What Would You Do? (the anti-semitism version) (Original Post) Behind the Aegis Jan 2012 OP
"According to the ADL, 12% of Americans or about 30 million people hold antisemitic views." ellisonz Feb 2012 #1
This isn't all that surprising to me. I see it more than I even admit to myself. Behind the Aegis Feb 2012 #3
Southpark didn't really help. ellisonz Feb 2012 #4
I only watched it for a couple of seasons. Behind the Aegis Feb 2012 #6
Did you read the comments at YouTube? Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #2
I usually only read as far as the first page goes, if that far! Behind the Aegis Feb 2012 #5

Behind the Aegis

(53,965 posts)
3. This isn't all that surprising to me. I see it more than I even admit to myself.
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 04:55 AM
Feb 2012

The problem is, IMO, anti-Semitism isn't just "hate/dislike" of Jews, to me, there are many more elements.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
4. Southpark didn't really help.
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 05:00 AM
Feb 2012

It's a whole set of stereotypes. Pop culture definitely embraces them and that really helps spread a lot of the less sophisticated antisemitism.

Behind the Aegis

(53,965 posts)
6. I only watched it for a couple of seasons.
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 05:46 AM
Feb 2012

I think some shows use those stereotypes as a method of mocking them. IMO, Family Guy does that, as does The Simpsons (staying with the animated genre). However, I do see many examples of anti-Semitism, then people going out of their way to explain it away. One of the first that pops to my mind is Michael Jackson's song, "They Don't Care About Us," and he has the lyrics, "Jew me, sue me, everybody do me/ Kick me, kike me, don't you black or white me." People bent over backwards to claim it wasn't anti-Semitic, that even suggesting it was actually racist! It was no diffrent when Helen Thomas made her comments and defending as she were a demi-god. It simply shows some will justify thier hate to extremes.

Violet_Crumble

(35,970 posts)
2. Did you read the comments at YouTube?
Fri Feb 3, 2012, 08:27 AM
Feb 2012

While the clip showed the one scary antisemitic guy, it does seem from reading just a page or two of comments that the anonymity of the internet brings out the antisemites....

I don't know if I agree with what the woman in that show said about how standing up to bigots makes them go away and think about what they've said or done. If what I've seen online is any indication, it doesn't work like that. It might work with people who for whatever reasons aren't aware that what they're saying is bigoted, but for hardline ones like that antisemitic guy who agreed with the clerk, I suspect they'd see people standing up to them as vindication of their own views in some way. I made the mistake a few years ago of thinking I could change someone who was expressing antisemitic views, and thought I'd succeeded when they apologised and said they understood why what they were saying was antisemitic. The problem was that not long after that, they were off and running again with more antisemitic stuff, and while they learnt nothing from it, I sure did...

We don't get that show over here, but if they do one about homophobia, would you mind PMing me a link to it? The only situation I've been in that's even close to the ones in the clips I've seen, was last week and it involved what I suspected from walking in on the tail end of a conversation between the shop-owner and a customer was two homophobes having a moment of agreement. My daughter dragged me out of there before I got really fired up, and I still feel bad that I didn't stay and listen to it properly and rip both of them a new one....

Behind the Aegis

(53,965 posts)
5. I usually only read as far as the first page goes, if that far!
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 05:02 AM
Feb 2012

Like you, I also don't think many learn. If someone makes an innocent mistake or one out of ignorance, s/he may, indeed, learn from confrontation, but it depends on style. The hardcore ones, if anything, it reinforces their views. There are exceptions, of course, as in just about everything. However, one thing, IMO, that is relevant, whereas the confronting of the hardcore bigot does little good for that person, who knows who is listening, possibly learning. It is one of the reasons I continue to contront anti-Semitism here, even against the relatively few anti-Semitic posters. They aren't going to learn from me, but someone reading our exchange very well may learn or spark something in the reader to explore the exchange.

I sent you an email about the homophobia ones. It isn't specific. If you have problems, let me know, because I do remember certain ones, so I may be able to find them more quickly.

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