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Behind the Aegis

(53,975 posts)
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 02:13 AM Sep 2014

Brussels synagogue fire was arson, watchdog says


A fire that broke out at a synagogue near Brussels today (Sept. 16) was the result of arson, a Belgian watchdog said.

Three people had to be treated for inhaling smoke at the synagogue on de la Clinique Street in Anderlecht, one of the municipalities that make up the Brussels region, the Belgian League Against Anti-Semitism, or LBCA, wrote in a statement. Unknown individuals deliberately set fire to four places so it would catch, according to the report.

LBCA President Joel Rubinfeld wrote that Belgian police confirmed they believed the fire was the result of criminal activity.

The synagogue fire followed an anti-Semitic incident on Sunday at the National Memorial Site for Jewish Victims of the Holocaust in Belgium, also in Anderlecht.

more: http://www.jewishaz.com/us_worldnews/world/brussels-synagogue-fire-was-arson-watchdog-says/article_d4fca5e0-3df7-11e4-95c7-001a4bcf6878.html

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Un-fucking-believable! The Jewish museum just re-opened after 4 months following the anti-Semitic shooting, now this shit! Pay attention, Jews!
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Brussels synagogue fire was arson, watchdog says (Original Post) Behind the Aegis Sep 2014 OP
"Pay attention, Jews!" ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #1
I expect them to pay attention. Behind the Aegis Sep 2014 #2
Why do you think they're not paying attention? ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #3
I am not claiming they aren't, I just say they should be. Behind the Aegis Sep 2014 #4
What do you think is causing anti-Semites to become more violent recently? ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #5
Personally, I think it is a culture of permissiveness in regards to anti-Semitism. Behind the Aegis Sep 2014 #6
Poverty does seem to freak people out. ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #7
It isn't poverty, it is financial concerns. There is a difference. Behind the Aegis Sep 2014 #8
Everything you said makes sense to me. ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #9
Oh Joe. Behind the Aegis Sep 2014 #10

Behind the Aegis

(53,975 posts)
2. I expect them to pay attention.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 02:38 AM
Sep 2014

It was right there in my comment. The incidents are piling up and becoming more and more violent. This isn't graveyard desecration or name-calling.

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
3. Why do you think they're not paying attention?
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 02:40 AM
Sep 2014

I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm just not as informed on this subject as you are.

Behind the Aegis

(53,975 posts)
4. I am not claiming they aren't, I just say they should be.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 02:43 AM
Sep 2014

I suggest some serious reading on the anti-Semitic incidents in Europe in the past few months, but all Jews need to pay attention.

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
5. What do you think is causing anti-Semites to become more violent recently?
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 02:46 AM
Sep 2014

What do you think is emboldening them? What is your take on these events?

Behind the Aegis

(53,975 posts)
6. Personally, I think it is a culture of permissiveness in regards to anti-Semitism.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 02:55 AM
Sep 2014

Seeing the rise in anti-Semitic parties across Europe is largely due to financial issues, and Jews, as usual, are blamed (along with immigrants). The recent Israel/Gaza conflict just added fuel to the fire, even legitimizing anti-Semitism in the eyes of many. Also, the lack of knowledge of the Holocaust and its minimization has also allowed anti-Semitism come back into vogue. Furthermore, the use of anti-Semitism as a method of attacking one's enemy (see Russia/Ukraine), IMO, shows the disdain those types have for Jews. The only time they "speak out" about anti-Semitism is when it suits their needs. While this is primarily in Europe, it shows signs of what could possibly come.

How much anti-Semitism do you think should be exposed before Jews become concerned?

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
7. Poverty does seem to freak people out.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 03:06 AM
Sep 2014

Immigrants get a lot of flack here in the US from conservative poor people because they are seen as job stealers and potential terrorists. I wonder how far off the anti-Semites in Europe have in common with militia border patrol folks here in the US. The European anti-Semites seem more emboldened, but the border militias aren't too far behind. Your analysis seems very logical to me.

How much ant-Semitism do you think should be exposed before Jews become concerned?


I think each individual should figure that out on their own. I don't feel comfortable telling other people how to feel, that said, if someone burnt down my synagogue, I would probably be very concerned.

Behind the Aegis

(53,975 posts)
8. It isn't poverty, it is financial concerns. There is a difference.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 03:20 AM
Sep 2014

Immigration is a tricky thing in Europe and not too many similarities to the issues in the US. Most of the targets in Europe are native populations, Jews, Romani, and others (depending on the country) who have been citizens for many decades, if not centuries. While there is a strong anti-immigrant feel in some parts of Europe, anti-immigration prejudice seems to be a big "no-no" for many. The irony is that those immigrating to our country, for the most part, are simply looking for a better life and very much want to be a part of the American experience.

European anti-Semites are very much emboldened at this point in history. It could turn here for the militias if the balance of power here really shifts to the right, unlike Europe, where anti-Semitism is getting play from both right and left.

I think each individual should figure that out on their own. I don't feel comfortable telling other people how to feel, that said, if someone burnt down my synagogue, I would probably be very concerned.

But, as a collective, we do need to pay attention. People can decide for themselves, just as those of us can say it is important to "pay attention." History has a funny way of playing itself out over and over. For some, they will only sit up and notice when it happens on a grander scale, and I am not talking just about Jews, but even then, there will be those who chirp "not my problem."

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
9. Everything you said makes sense to me.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 01:38 PM
Sep 2014

I just now saw a thread where Vice President Biden called bankers "Shylocks." Since Jewish bankers are a theme of anti-Semites, and "Shylock" is an anti-Semitic term, giving Biden the benefit of doubt on this is a bit difficult, in my opinion. From what I hear, President Obama is popular overseas, so VP Biden's comment further embolden anti-Semites. What is your take on his remark?

Here is the thread I saw about the comment.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025549912#post1

Behind the Aegis

(53,975 posts)
10. Oh Joe.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 03:14 PM
Sep 2014


Interestingly enough, I had just finished reading the story in LBN (I actually read it on several different sites last night) when your post appeared, but I had to take the puppies out to potty. They will not be denied!

Biden made an ignorant remark. He apologized in a way that, IMO, signifies sincerity. However, it demonstrates a point: many aren't even aware of anti-Semitism in way that prevents them from making such mistakes. Biden, unlike some, at least acknowledged his mistake; others simply dig in their heels to tell us how what they said/did wasn't anti-Semitic and we are just being "oversensitive", "playing the anti-Semite card", or "experiencing poutrage."

It is interesting to note in that thread the term "shyster." A few are saying it is 'mistakenly' thought to be anti-Semitic, as opposed to shylock which is anti-Semitic. Here's the thing, the word "shyster" didn't originally have an anti-Semitic origin, and, for the most part, it really isn't anti-Semitic....BUT...it has been and is used, at times, to be anti-Semitic! The ones who use it that way, of course, are usually hardcore Jew-haters as it is, but for the majority of people, it really doesn't carry an anti-Semitic undertone.

I sincerely doubt Biden's remarks and his subsequent apology, will do anything to embolden anti-Semites, but as I said, it demonstrates a lack of awareness of anti-Semitism (which is also displayed in the thread you provided and the LBN one). Moreover, what we see is the minimization of anti-Semitism by such remarks as "Arabs are Semites too" or "Not all Jews are Semites." among others. Coupled with the hardcore ignorance in regards to anti-Semitism, things like the aforementioned statements make anti-Semitism easier to pass off as "legitimate" or even "acceptable." From there, the slippery slope starts to morph into a slide and we Jews know where it leads.
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