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elleng

(130,908 posts)
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 08:55 PM Aug 2018

Israel, This Is Not Who We Are

Orthodoxy should be respected, but we cannot allow the politics of a radical minority to alienate millions of Jews worldwide.

By Ronald S. Lauder
Mr. Lauder is president of the World Jewish Congress.

'For many Israelis, Jews and supporters of Israel, the last year has been a challenging one. In the summer of 2017, Israel’s government withdrew from an agreement that would have created an egalitarian prayer area at the Western Wall and proposed a strict conversion law that impinges on the rights of non-Orthodox Jews. This summer the Knesset passed a law that denies equal rights to same-sex couples. A day later came the nation-state law, which correctly reaffirms that Israel is a Jewish state, but also damages the sense of equality and belonging of Israel’s Druze, Christian and Muslim citizens.

Last month, a Conservative rabbi was detained for the alleged crime of performing a non-Orthodox wedding ceremony in Israel. In several municipalities, attempts were made to disrupt secular life by closing convenience stores on the Sabbath.

These events are creating the impression that the democratic and egalitarian dimensions of the Jewish democratic state are being tested.

Israel is a miracle. The Jews of the diaspora look up to Israel, admire its astonishing achievements and view it as their second home. However, today some wonder if the nation they cherish is losing its way.

For 4,000 years, the Jewish people were seen as the world’s moral compass.

The Zionist movement has been unwaveringly democratic from its very start. Writ large upon its flag were liberty, equality and human rights for all. It was also one of the very first national movements to guarantee full equality and voting rights for women. And when Israel was founded, it immediately became the first and only democracy in the Middle East. Its Declaration of Independence guarantees “complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex,” as well as a guarantee of freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture. . .

The issue at hand is first and foremost a moral one, but the new nation-state legislation may also have severe national and international repercussions. In Israel, it will heighten the sense of polarization and discord. Abroad, Israel may find itself associated with a broken values system and questionable friends. As a result, future leaders of the West may become hostile or indifferent to the Jewish state.

Tragically, the new policies will not strengthen Israel but weaken it, and in the long run they may endanger Israel’s social cohesiveness, economic success and international standing.

But the greatest threat is to the future of the Jewish people. For over 200 years, modern Judaism has aligned itself with enlightenment.'>>>

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/13/opinion/israel-ronald-lauder-nation-state-law.html?

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TomSlick

(11,098 posts)
1. Wait, what?
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 09:59 PM
Aug 2018

Last edited Mon Aug 13, 2018, 11:31 PM - Edit history (1)

In the grand scope of the editorial, it's a small thing but:

"Last month, a Conservative rabbi was detained for the alleged crime of performing a non-Orthodox wedding ceremony in Israel?" What does this mean? Is it illegal for a Conservative rabbi to perform a wedding ceremony? Surely not. What is this all about?

elleng

(130,908 posts)
2. Likely, imo, tho I'm not a student of all their rules. NOTE:
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 10:26 PM
Aug 2018

'alleged crime of performing a non-Orthodox wedding ceremony'

The article is about: Orthodoxy should be respected, but we cannot allow the politics of a radical minority to alienate millions of Jews worldwide.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
3. Israel takes a very libertarian view on marriage
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 06:50 PM
Aug 2018

The government has no authority regarding marriage. Any two adults can enter into a civil union. And all marriages include a civil union. A gay civil union is fine. A civil union between a Muslim and a Jewish person is fine. Whatever. All legally the same.

BUT the government grants each religion exclusive authority to conduct religious ceremonies as it sees fit. So, Jewish Rabbinate makes its rules, the various Muslim groups make their rules, the Druze make their rules, etc.

The Rabbinate in Israel is Orthodox, so its rule is only Orthodox Rabbis can conduct a religious Jewish wedding ceremony.

It's a bit like a union shop.

TomSlick

(11,098 posts)
4. So, if Conservative or Reformed Jews want a religious marriage ceremony,
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 08:45 PM
Aug 2018

must they go to an Orthodox rabbi to perform the ceremony?

The quote from the article "Last month, a Conservative rabbi was detained for the alleged crime of performing a non-Orthodox wedding ceremony in Israel," suggests that it is a criminal offence for a Conservative rabbi to conduct a wedding ceremony.

If that is accurate, then the author of the article is correct in his assessment concerning the over-sized influence of the Orthodox community in Israel. Can an imam lawfully perform a marriage between two Muslims? Can a priest lawfully perform a Christian marriage? Or, is it just non-conforming Jews against whom the State of Israel discriminates?

If the author of the article is correct that it is a criminal offense for a Conservative rabbi to conduct a marriage ceremony, Israel is engaging in human rights violations.









MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
5. Well, kind of
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 07:07 PM
Aug 2018

There really isn't the breakdown of Orthodox, Conservative, or Reform in Israel like in the USA. It's a top down system, like the Catholic church. And they get to set their rules on what is, and is not, acceptable practice, just like the Baptists and the Catholics do.

Without going into the minutiae, would it be OK for a Baptist preacher to claim to be performing a Roman Catholic ceremony? No, of course not; he's not Catholic. He could perform a Baptist ceremony. He just couldn't call it a Roman Catholic wedding.

This Conservative Rabbi tried to register his ceremony an Orthodox wedding, which it was not.

And there is a complete side step to this, in that you don't even need a Rabbi to have a valid marriage in Judaism. Here is all that need be done:

1. The man and woman should go outside (which is technically optional);
2. The man picks up something of decent value (e.g., a ring, but in hard times it was sometimes a silver spoon) and say "Behold, you are consecrated to me with this [item of value] according to the laws of Moses and Israel."
3. If she takes the item of value, you're married.

Teenagers run off and do this all the time, BTW.

Anyway, Conservative and Reform Rabbis "officiate-without-officiating" weddings all day long in Israel. They just do all the other parts of the ceremony and the couple does self-help.

TomSlick

(11,098 posts)
6. Thanks for the explanation.
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 08:15 PM
Aug 2018

I am surprised the Conservative and Reformed communities don't take this on as a political issue.

question everything

(47,479 posts)
7. The rabbinate in Israel has sole authority on dtermining whether a Jewish citizen is married
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 01:54 PM
Aug 2018

The Israeli ID states whether a citizen is a Jew. And then you have the different rabbinate chapters in the cities.

The irony, as stated below, is that according to Jewish law, a couple can marry by one of three acts: a traditional marriage under a canopy with a rabbi performing the ceremony, an item of value (a ring) and consummation. (Ben Gurion used to joke that he married his wife Paula according to the "third option.&quot

Thus, even if a couple is not married under an approved rabbi, they would still need an official divorce if they want to marry someone else.

This was the original story from July 19:

Israeli police detained on Thursday a Conservative rabbi who presided over non-Orthodox weddings.

Rabbi Dov Haiyun of Moriah Congregation in Haifa was ordained by the Conservative movement, which is not recognized by Israel's Chief Rabbinate. He was detained following a complaint filed against him by the Rabbinical Court in Haifa for allegedly "marrying those who are not eligible to be married."

The incident was the first time police attempted to enforce a 2013 law forbidding performing weddings outside the Rabbinate, a law carrying a sentence of up to two years in prison.

Haiyun was taken to a police station and released after signing a document promising to report for questioning on Monday.

Following the reports, Attorney General instructed police not to question Haiyun. Police דubsequently told Haiyun that he would not need to return for questioning, as he was asked to do on Thursday. He will instead be summoned if necessary, police said.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israel-detains-conservative-rabbi-for-performing-non-orthodox-weddings-1.6291221

TomSlick

(11,098 posts)
8. Hmmm. I appreciate that the separation of Church and State is pretty much an American idea - but
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 07:56 PM
Aug 2018

I remain amazed that the non-Orthodox majority in Israel tolerate the over-sized power of the Orthodox minority. More and more, Israel appears undemocratic.

We used to sanction countries for not respecting religious liberty. Maybe we will again some day.

question everything

(47,479 posts)
9. This is how coalitions work (and why they often fail)
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 08:16 PM
Aug 2018

From the early days of Israel, the orthodox would go along with foreign and domestic policies as long as they got what they want - in this case - control of family life.

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