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DreamGypsy

(2,252 posts)
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 06:00 PM Oct 2012

Meet Mira, the Supercomputer That Makes Universes

From an interview in the September Atlantic:

http://www.kintera.org/TR.asp?a=9rKNL2PIJeKIJZOQG&s=glIYIjOVLeKYJcNRLsH&m=iuLUL6NNIcKOKgJ

In October, the world's third fastest supercomputer, Mira, is scheduled to run the largest, most complex universe simulation ever attempted. The simulation will cram more than 12 billion years worth of cosmic evolution into just two weeks, tracking trillions of particles as they slowly coalesce into the web-like structure that defines our universe on a large scale. Cosmic simulations have been around for decades, but the technology needed to run a trillion-particle simulation only recently became available.

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Salman Habib is a senior physicist at the Argonne National Laboratory and the leader of the research team working with Mira to create simulations of the universe. Last week, I talked to Habib about cosmology, supercomputing, and what Mira might tell us about the enormous cosmic web we find ourselves in.


A response to one of the interviewer's questions:

Habib: Our primary interest is large-scale structure formation throughout the universe and so we try to begin our simulations well after the Big Bang, and even well after the microwave background era. Let me explain why. We're not sure how to simulate the very beginning of the universe because the physics are very complicated and partially unknown, and even if we could, the early universe is structurally homogeneous relative to the complexity that we see now, so you don't need a supercomputer to simulate it. Later on, at the time of the microwave background radiation, we have a much better idea about what's going on. WMAP and Planck have given us a really clear picture of what the universe looked like at that time, but even then the universe is still very homogeneous -- its density perturbations are something like one part in a hundred thousand. With that kind of homogeneity, you can still do the calculations and modeling without a supercomputer. But if you fast forward to the point where the universe is about a million times denser than it is now, that's when things get so complicated that you want to hand over the calculations to a supercomputer.

Now the trillions of particles we're talking about aren't supposed to be actual physical particles like protons or neutrons or whatever. Because these trillions of particles are meant to represent the entire universe, they are extremely massive, something in the range of a billion suns. We know the gravitational mechanics of how these particles interact, and so we evolve them forward to see what kind of densities and structure they produce, both as a result of gravity and the expansion of the universe. So, that's essentially what the simulation does: it takes an initial condition and moves it forward to the present to see if our ideas about structure formation in the universe are correct.


Here's where Mira lives -


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Meet Mira, the Supercomputer That Makes Universes (Original Post) DreamGypsy Oct 2012 OP
You folks know me more from hanging out with the photographers Mira Oct 2012 #1
Hi, Mira, DreamGypsy Oct 2012 #2
There is a serious philosophical conjecture that asserts we are most likely Warren Stupidity Oct 2012 #3
Sure, I'll agree that we are a computer simulation... DreamGypsy Oct 2012 #4
oh they mean we are sims in a very sophisticated sim world. Warren Stupidity Oct 2012 #5
The picture is Argonne's Advanced Photon Source; MIRA is in a different building caraher Oct 2012 #6

Mira

(22,380 posts)
1. You folks know me more from hanging out with the photographers
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 07:03 PM
Oct 2012

The next contest's theme is " a photo taken outside, within 100 paces from your home".

I had no idea where I live would be exposed so early.
Dang.

DreamGypsy

(2,252 posts)
2. Hi, Mira,
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 01:24 AM
Oct 2012

Before posting this thread I searched DU for "mira supercomputer" to see if anyone had already posted the topic and got 4 or 5 hits, including a couple from your journal. Supercomputers can do cool stuff, so I wondered if Mira was bored, doing nothing some holiday or late at night, and just happened to stumble upon DU. I checked the profile expecting you to be in Illinois...but no, North Carolina. Disillusioned, I completed the post.

Perhaps an idea for a SciFi Novel ... the social networking site that becomes populated and controlled by idle supercomputers...

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
3. There is a serious philosophical conjecture that asserts we are most likely
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 08:41 AM
Oct 2012

existing within a computer simulation (as for example in the Matrix movies.)


This paper argues that at least one of the following propositions is true: (1) the human species is very likely to go extinct before reaching a “posthuman” stage; (2) any posthuman civilization is extremely unlikely to run a significant number of simulations of their evolutionary history (or variations thereof); (3) we are almost certainly living in a computer simulation. It follows that the belief that there is a significant chance that we will one day become posthumans who run ancestor-simulations is false, unless we are currently living in a simulation. A number of other consequences of this result are also discussed.




http://www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.html

DreamGypsy

(2,252 posts)
4. Sure, I'll agree that we are a computer simulation...
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:38 AM
Oct 2012

as long as we agree on the definition of 'computer'. The universe is a fascinating computer, but I don't expect there to be an answer.

I took a brief look at the referenced article. On the surface it looks a bit more ... well, I can't come up with the right adjective...than I am likely to appreciate. But I will read it later.

Right now I have to take the dogs for their morning walk. A 'Dog' is a computer running random simulations of the best way to get extra stuff on their food, lots of cookies on the walk, maximum opportunities to chase squirrels, and to spend most of the day sleeping outdoors. As far as I can tell the simulation is converging quickly on an outcome that optimizes all of the conditions: simply be man's best friend.

Thanks for your post.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
5. oh they mean we are sims in a very sophisticated sim world.
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 07:16 PM
Oct 2012

The argument is really interesting, however once you accept that it is logically sound, and disregard the "yuck factor", to each of us in our journey through life, it is a non-issue. An interesting conjecture that has no real relevance to the puzzle of being sentient.

caraher

(6,278 posts)
6. The picture is Argonne's Advanced Photon Source; MIRA is in a different building
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 12:01 AM
Oct 2012

From the upper floor of the "high rise" rectangular building in the foreground you can see the Chicago skyline in the distance... I once got myself locked outside on the roof there late at night in December while our APS experiment was running and I was taking a break. Fortunately I was able to MacGuyver my way back into the building before I got too cold (I had no cell phone to call for help and there weren't many people around).

MIRA is evidently in Building 240, which houses math & computer science

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