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Related: About this forumMeet Mira, the Supercomputer That Makes Universes
From an interview in the September Atlantic:
http://www.kintera.org/TR.asp?a=9rKNL2PIJeKIJZOQG&s=glIYIjOVLeKYJcNRLsH&m=iuLUL6NNIcKOKgJ
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Salman Habib is a senior physicist at the Argonne National Laboratory and the leader of the research team working with Mira to create simulations of the universe. Last week, I talked to Habib about cosmology, supercomputing, and what Mira might tell us about the enormous cosmic web we find ourselves in.
A response to one of the interviewer's questions:
Now the trillions of particles we're talking about aren't supposed to be actual physical particles like protons or neutrons or whatever. Because these trillions of particles are meant to represent the entire universe, they are extremely massive, something in the range of a billion suns. We know the gravitational mechanics of how these particles interact, and so we evolve them forward to see what kind of densities and structure they produce, both as a result of gravity and the expansion of the universe. So, that's essentially what the simulation does: it takes an initial condition and moves it forward to the present to see if our ideas about structure formation in the universe are correct.
Here's where Mira lives -
Mira
(22,380 posts)The next contest's theme is " a photo taken outside, within 100 paces from your home".
I had no idea where I live would be exposed so early.
Dang.
Before posting this thread I searched DU for "mira supercomputer" to see if anyone had already posted the topic and got 4 or 5 hits, including a couple from your journal. Supercomputers can do cool stuff, so I wondered if Mira was bored, doing nothing some holiday or late at night, and just happened to stumble upon DU. I checked the profile expecting you to be in Illinois...but no, North Carolina. Disillusioned, I completed the post.
Perhaps an idea for a SciFi Novel ... the social networking site that becomes populated and controlled by idle supercomputers...
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)existing within a computer simulation (as for example in the Matrix movies.)
This paper argues that at least one of the following propositions is true: (1) the human species is very likely to go extinct before reaching a posthuman stage; (2) any posthuman civilization is extremely unlikely to run a significant number of simulations of their evolutionary history (or variations thereof); (3) we are almost certainly living in a computer simulation. It follows that the belief that there is a significant chance that we will one day become posthumans who run ancestor-simulations is false, unless we are currently living in a simulation. A number of other consequences of this result are also discussed.
http://www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.html
DreamGypsy
(2,252 posts)as long as we agree on the definition of 'computer'. The universe is a fascinating computer, but I don't expect there to be an answer.
I took a brief look at the referenced article. On the surface it looks a bit more ... well, I can't come up with the right adjective...than I am likely to appreciate. But I will read it later.
Right now I have to take the dogs for their morning walk. A 'Dog' is a computer running random simulations of the best way to get extra stuff on their food, lots of cookies on the walk, maximum opportunities to chase squirrels, and to spend most of the day sleeping outdoors. As far as I can tell the simulation is converging quickly on an outcome that optimizes all of the conditions: simply be man's best friend.
Thanks for your post.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)The argument is really interesting, however once you accept that it is logically sound, and disregard the "yuck factor", to each of us in our journey through life, it is a non-issue. An interesting conjecture that has no real relevance to the puzzle of being sentient.
caraher
(6,278 posts)From the upper floor of the "high rise" rectangular building in the foreground you can see the Chicago skyline in the distance... I once got myself locked outside on the roof there late at night in December while our APS experiment was running and I was taking a break. Fortunately I was able to MacGuyver my way back into the building before I got too cold (I had no cell phone to call for help and there weren't many people around).
MIRA is evidently in Building 240, which houses math & computer science