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jonpaulprime

(104 posts)
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 12:50 PM Nov 2012

Question About Asteroid Impact

The rock that hit Mexico and probably killed the dinosaurs.... would it have penetrated deeply enough to release the kind of oil & natural gas that was released by the Deepwater Horizon Oil Well accident? Or would it have been vaporized by the impact? Did the oil even exist there then?

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Question About Asteroid Impact (Original Post) jonpaulprime Nov 2012 OP
AFAIK, oil deposits were layed down in the Carboniferous era longship Nov 2012 #1
Exactly, and it would have been vaporized around the impact site Warpy Nov 2012 #2
crater is 112 miles across Viva_La_Revolution Nov 2012 #4
AFAIK. longship Nov 2012 #12
It's most likely the largest dinosaurs were the first to go Warpy Nov 2012 #13
yes Viva_La_Revolution Nov 2012 #3
cracking beyond the cauterization jonpaulprime Nov 2012 #7
quite possible Viva_La_Revolution Nov 2012 #8
thanks for that jonpaulprime Nov 2012 #11
between 70-160 million years Viva_La_Revolution Nov 2012 #14
Just like a rock in a pond nt Confusious Nov 2012 #16
exactly. :) nt Viva_La_Revolution Nov 2012 #18
The Chicxhulub impact was on a vastly larger scale than anything human-related Posteritatis Nov 2012 #5
but.... jonpaulprime Nov 2012 #6
They would have been there, or were at least forming. Posteritatis Nov 2012 #9
ah jonpaulprime Nov 2012 #10
Yeah, it'd be like comparing a paper cut to a cannon wound. Posteritatis Nov 2012 #15
I loved reading the answers to this Marrah_G Nov 2012 #17

longship

(40,416 posts)
1. AFAIK, oil deposits were layed down in the Carboniferous era
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 01:06 PM
Nov 2012

That would put it at least some 300 million years ago.

Warpy

(111,354 posts)
2. Exactly, and it would have been vaporized around the impact site
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 01:17 PM
Nov 2012

along with the rock surrounding it. How much that extends out from the crater rim is something geologists would know, I don't. My geology courses were ages ago, when plate tectonics was just a theory.

That doesn't mean that there aren't deep deposits under the level of vaporization at the impact site, thrust deeper by the shock wave.

The dinosaurs were on their way out when that thing hit, thanks to the massive vulcanization in India plus disease brought on by slow starvation. That asteroid just finished them off.

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
4. crater is 112 miles across
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 01:35 PM
Nov 2012

and ejecta is found mostly in the Caribbean basin, but the vapors and ash made it all around the earth.

longship

(40,416 posts)
12. AFAIK.
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 03:48 PM
Nov 2012

There are a few disputes about the single asteroid strike. You still have Keller who wants to say different, but it is shaping up fairly clearly that she's probably wrong. The iridium spike is exactly at the K/T boundary, dinos below, no dinos above. Pretty much says it all.

The dinos in decline evidence is also explained by selection biases in the fossil beds that have nothing to do with actual decline. So that is also in dispute.

My source is Skeptics Guide to the Universe who interview paleontologists regarding these matters. But I am sure that an expert would say it differently.

Warpy

(111,354 posts)
13. It's most likely the largest dinosaurs were the first to go
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 03:54 PM
Nov 2012

and in any case there isn't a huge deposition of dinosaur skeletons right at the KT extinction boundary. That's why so many think the population was probably stressed almost to the point of extinction before the impact. Likely the slow decline had been happening from anything for tens of thousands to a million years, a slow-mo extinction that left little evidence.

Speculation is great fun and let's be honest, after 65 million years, it's about all we have.

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
3. yes
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 01:29 PM
Nov 2012

However, the energy released from the gas and oil it contacted was miniscule compared to the energy of the asteroid itself.
500 meters of andesite glass and breccia make up the interior of the crater, rock instantly melted to glass with the heat.
any organic (like oil, coal etc.) would have been vaporized, and and the crater looked like a huge cauterization scar.

jonpaulprime

(104 posts)
7. cracking beyond the cauterization
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 03:08 PM
Nov 2012

would it not be likely that beyond the cauterization/vaporization zone, cracks in the earth's crust could have occurred, releasing oil?

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
8. quite possible
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 03:19 PM
Nov 2012

but finding evidence of that would be quite improbable.

Here's a great animation that explains the forces and the reactions of the rock around it

jonpaulprime

(104 posts)
11. thanks for that
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 03:45 PM
Nov 2012

How long ago....was that part of the earth, where the Deepwater Horizon deposits formed, above groud/not under water?

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
14. between 70-160 million years
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 04:05 PM
Nov 2012

It was above water and covered with vegetation, then covered with h2o as the seas rose and fell repeatedly. Top layers weren't oil yet when the asteroid hit.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
5. The Chicxhulub impact was on a vastly larger scale than anything human-related
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 02:25 PM
Nov 2012

The impactor was ten kilometers wide; anything for a huge distance around the impact point would have been vaporized, driven deep into the crust (if not the mantle), or blown into space.

On that sort of scale, things like oil reservoirs (and there would still have been one then) would mostly have been irrelevant compared to the impact, the firestorms, the megatsunami, the acid rains and the nuclear winter. The Gulf of Mexico and neighboring areas would probably have been completely sterilized, and a lot of the rest of the planet wasn't that much better off for awhile.

jonpaulprime

(104 posts)
6. but....
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 03:05 PM
Nov 2012

the precise oil reserves released by Deepwater Horizon, were they already in place when the asteroid hit, or did they form after? I know they are separated by hundreds of miles.

My question isn't so much about the life that was wiped out... but what happened inside the earth, underground. If oil deposits were released, did they flow out for hundreds of years until depleted? Is there even any way of knowing?

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
9. They would have been there, or were at least forming.
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 03:25 PM
Nov 2012

The majority of the oil reserves these days would have been laid down pre-dinosaurs.

Nearly any that were directly affected by the impact would have been vaporized (and then ignited), or would have been re-sealed under the molten rock as it resolidified. It wouldn't have been a case of mere cracks forming at all, not with that kind of force. Some probably did leak for awhile afterwards for sure, but there wouldn't be much left in the oceans to notice, and a Deepwater Horizon-scale spill is probably way too small to notice in the geological records that far back anyway. That goes double in an area that got as disrupted as the gulf did by the K-T impact.

jonpaulprime

(104 posts)
10. ah
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 03:40 PM
Nov 2012

so at most a case of some insignificant bleeding around a gaping, cauterized wound.

Living on the gulf, the oil spill was a scary time. A lot of wild theories were floating around, including the possibility of part of the gulf coast collapsing into the water. The consensus seemed to be: stopping the oil leak was really important.

Everyone agreed that oil continuing to flow into the ocean for years would be a bad thing. I don't think anyone is disputing that. But how bad? Had the leak never been plugged, had it kept leaking for years... would that actually poison the entire ocean eventually, as people warned back then? If so.... if an oil leak is capable of poisoning the entire ocean now, how many previous oil leaks impacted the world's oceans? No one seemed to know how many years the Deepwater well would have leaked had it not been capped.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
15. Yeah, it'd be like comparing a paper cut to a cannon wound.
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 04:16 PM
Nov 2012

The impactor gouged a hole almost 200 kilometers wide and probably ten or fifteen deep before the rocks began to stabilize and collapse into a less ridiculous profile. Absolutely nothing that's happened to the planet since then could even begin to attempt to consider coming close to the violence of what happened there. We're talking North and South America largely on fire for days, earthquakes above 10.0 on the Richter scale, and a 25,000-square-kilometer hole in the ground.

Completely draining a major oil reservoir right into the ocean wouldn't even get noticed alongside something like that. That happening to us would suck, but as bad as it would be the Earth - and even the Gulf of Mexico specifically - have taken some real hits before and come back from them.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
17. I loved reading the answers to this
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 11:56 AM
Nov 2012

You all make me feel a little smarter for reading...something that doesn't happen alot in online forums

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