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Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 03:56 PM Oct 2013

Brain scans show that dogs are as conscious as human children

Brain scans show that dogs are as conscious as human children
By specially training dogs to lie motionless in an fMRI scanner, neuroscientists have finally taken a look inside the mind of our favorite companion animal. And to no dog lover’s surprise, they exhibit a level of awareness that will force us to reconsider the ways in which they’re treated.

There’s a provocative and fascinating opinion article in the New York Times by neuroeconomics professor Gregory Burns where he describes his latest work studying dogs. After training and scanning the brains of dozens of them, he says he’s left with the inescapable conclusion that “dogs are people, too.”
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Unlike behavioral analyses, Burns’s work is providing actual neurological evidence that dogs, like so many other animals, experience consciousness and emotions at a level comparable to humans. He did so after training dogs (with the help of Mark Spivak) for months to be comfortable inside fMRI scanners — and having them wear earmuffs to protect their sensitive hearing from the 95 decibels of noise the scanner makes.

Dogs as conscious beings strikes a blow at the religious argument for the origin of consciousness and at the casual misuse and exploitation of dogs for profit. I think the comment that "dogs are people, too" is a bit unscientific. Dogs as conscious beings expands our notion of consciousness.
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Brain scans show that dogs are as conscious as human children (Original Post) Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 OP
Of course they are. Cats, too, and probably most other animals. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2013 #1
There is a difference between knowing it and scientifically proving it. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #2
That's true, and it's nice that someone was able to present scientific proof The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2013 #4
animals cannot verbally express feelings BUT they are better at reading body language than humans. VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #3
Depends on the animal, of course Posteritatis Oct 2013 #9
Yeah my dog too....some are better at it than others. VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #11
the have the same basic mammalian brain that humans have.... mike_c Oct 2013 #5
Science, Schmience! This link PROVES it! KansDem Oct 2013 #6
My cat has about 10 IQ points on most people I meet BrotherIvan Oct 2013 #7
Duh! Hydra Oct 2013 #8
My dog's way smarter than my neighbor. Scuba Oct 2013 #10
My brother often said.... Wounded Bear Oct 2013 #12
I grew up in a religious (Catholic) family Tumbulu Oct 2013 #13
Anyone living with a dog knows that newfie11 Oct 2013 #14

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,829 posts)
1. Of course they are. Cats, too, and probably most other animals.
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 03:58 PM
Oct 2013

Anyone who has spent any amount of time caring for animals knows that.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,829 posts)
4. That's true, and it's nice that someone was able to present scientific proof
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 04:10 PM
Oct 2013

for those who are too obtuse or religiously brainwashed to have noticed.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
3. animals cannot verbally express feelings BUT they are better at reading body language than humans.
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 04:06 PM
Oct 2013

that's how they know when you are sad.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
9. Depends on the animal, of course
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 05:27 PM
Oct 2013

One of my friends' dangerously-intelligent collies actually harumphs at me when she's annoyed that I'm not paying enough attention. It's pretty unambiguous what's going through her head...

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
11. Yeah my dog too....some are better at it than others.
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 06:02 PM
Oct 2013

You have to get to know them to understand their language...and they do understand single words that we speak.

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
5. the have the same basic mammalian brain that humans have....
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 04:20 PM
Oct 2013

I mean, less cortex, but the fundamental organization is similar, so it makes sense that they'd use it much the same way we do.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
7. My cat has about 10 IQ points on most people I meet
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 04:51 PM
Oct 2013

I'm not kidding. He has the subtlety of Sherlock Holmes, the quick wit of Wilde, and sometimes the level of wisdom of a Zen master. People always freak out and after a while more than a few have said, "You know, I think your cat is human." And when you've been outfoxed by a master, you know there is nothing to do but bow and tip your hat. So nothing in this article shocks me.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
8. Duh!
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 05:12 PM
Oct 2013

Inescapable fact: Humans are animals. Any greatness we ascribe to ourselves is not impossible for our fellow animals to accomplish, and in fact they often do it better than us.

We're the best copycats though.

Tumbulu

(6,292 posts)
13. I grew up in a religious (Catholic) family
Tue Oct 8, 2013, 12:08 AM
Oct 2013

and animals were pretty much worshiped. They got blessed by the priests and were loved by all. Perhaps it is an Irish/,British Isle thing, perhaps there are religions that don't think animals have souls, but please don't dump all religious traditions together.

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