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HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 10:11 PM Feb 2014

Organic agriculture can pollute groundwater, research shows

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/02/140218114311.htm

"RResearchers from Ben-Gurion University of the Negev (BGU), using specialized monitoring technology, have determined that intensive organic agriculture can cause significant pollution from nitrate leaching into groundwater.

Public demand has led to the rapid development of organic farming in recent years to provide healthy food products that are free of chemical additives and to reduce industrial and groundwater pollution worldwide.

But, according to the paper published in the Hydrology and Earth System Sciences journal, intensive organic matter using composted manure prior to planting resulted in significantly higher groundwater pollution rates compared with liquid fertilization techniques through drip irrigation.

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The down leaching of nitrates under intensive organic farming is due to nutrient release from the compost to the soil during the early stages of the growing season. In this stage, nutrient uptake capacity of the young plants is very low and down leaching of nitrates to the deeper parts of the vadose zone and groundwater is unavoidable.

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Interesting stuff.




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Organic agriculture can pollute groundwater, research shows (Original Post) HuckleB Feb 2014 OP
Ok, explain to me how this is WORSE than what happens with conventional ag. kestrel91316 Feb 2014 #1
Do you have a problem with research? HuckleB Feb 2014 #4
And then again, people who eat organic food can get fat, and some truedelphi Feb 2014 #2
make that all of us. WhiteTara Feb 2014 #3
Belief is grand. HuckleB Feb 2014 #5
Then they can adapt their techniques. silverweb Feb 2014 #6
And I think when the soil starts absorbing the truedelphi Feb 2014 #7
That would be my hope. silverweb Feb 2014 #8
This is certainly what all the organic farmers Tumbulu Feb 2014 #10
Glad to hear it! silverweb Feb 2014 #12
flawed study comparing apples to oranges Tumbulu Feb 2014 #9
Sorry. HuckleB Feb 2014 #14
Of course it is to be dismissed Tumbulu Feb 2014 #15
Non composted waste put onto fields will certainly screw up the groundwater Warpy Feb 2014 #11
I wonder if terra preta or biochar would hold the nitrates better? csziggy Feb 2014 #13
why do you have such a problem with organic farming and foods fascisthunter Feb 2014 #16
Nitrate levels vary greatly with the various manures, notemason Feb 2014 #17
I smell bullshit! SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2014 #18
 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
1. Ok, explain to me how this is WORSE than what happens with conventional ag.
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 10:18 PM
Feb 2014

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(crickets chirping)

Gotta attack organic agriculture for being less than perfect, eh?

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
2. And then again, people who eat organic food can get fat, and some
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 10:19 PM
Feb 2014

of us will even die eventually!

But I feel a lot better since I started eating organically.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
6. Then they can adapt their techniques.
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 10:41 PM
Feb 2014

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]If drip irrigation is so much better, then they can liquify the composted manure and provide it to crops via drip irrigation. No "artifical" chemical fertilizers, fully organic, saves water, and spares the groundwater.

Ta-da!

As a matter of fact, I'm going to be trying a similar experiment this season with compost tea from my worm bin via drip line to container plants. We are under severe drought restrictions and it's only going to get worse, and this will make the best possible use of every precious drop.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
7. And I think when the soil starts absorbing the
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 11:15 PM
Feb 2014

Composted manure, it will be able to do better with less water, as the manure components keep the ground moister.

Tumbulu

(6,291 posts)
10. This is certainly what all the organic farmers
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 02:58 AM
Feb 2014

in my area do, and have been doing for the past decade or so. Compost teas through the drip system.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
12. Glad to hear it!
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 03:57 AM
Feb 2014

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]I have a very restricted planting area, mostly along a fence where there's limited sunshine, but I'll be trying it out this year.

Tumbulu

(6,291 posts)
9. flawed study comparing apples to oranges
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 02:57 AM
Feb 2014

Any preplant fertilizer, organic or conventional chemical will have the same issue (organic less so than conventional, actually). But fertigating through the drip line when the plant needs it is the way to go and most organic farmers in the irrigated west use this technique. But use liquid organic fertilizers -or compost teas as they are often called- through the drip system.

To be sound they would need to compare preplant organic vs preplant conventional chemical and then compare fertigating with either organic or conventional chemically derived fertilizers. Then it could be evaluated properly.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
14. Sorry.
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 01:44 PM
Feb 2014

But the study is quite solid. More studies may be needed, but you can't dismiss it just because.

Tumbulu

(6,291 posts)
15. Of course it is to be dismissed
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 05:00 PM
Feb 2014

It diminishes the credibility of that publication.

And you cannot see the problem? Are you serious?

Warpy

(111,277 posts)
11. Non composted waste put onto fields will certainly screw up the groundwater
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 03:56 AM
Feb 2014

and poison shallow wells rather quickly. That's why wise gardeners don't do sheet composting but rather mix the waste with leaf litter and grass clippings and compost it on down to ultra rich soil. Used as a side dressing to half grown plants it makes them rocket up toward the sun while not polluting the ground water.

They've also run into problems doing sheet composting of non composted waste by having produce contaminated by fecal bacteria.. Not good.

Farmers just need to change methods and timing.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
13. I wonder if terra preta or biochar would hold the nitrates better?
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 12:43 PM
Feb 2014
Terra Preta - Basic Information
"Terra Preta de Indio" (Amazonian Dark Earths; earlier also called "Terra Preta do Indio" or Indian Black Earth) is the local name for certain dark earths in the Brazilian Amazon region. These dark earths occur, however, in several countries in South America and probably beyond. They were most likely created by pre-Columbian Indians from 500 to 2500 years B.P. and abandoned after the invasion of Europeans (Smith, 1980; Woods et al., 2000). However, many questions are still unanswered with respect to their origin, distribution, and properties.

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Recent efforts stimulated by Terra Preta research included the investigation of biochar (biomass-derived black carbon or charcoal) as a soil amendment to enhance nutrient availability and retention. Charcoal amendments were shown to significantly decrease nutrient leaching and increase crop growth (Lehmann et al., 2003), and the tests of slash-and-char systems were suggested as an alternative to slash-and-burn (Lehmann et al., 2002).

http://www.css.cornell.edu/faculty/lehmann/research/terra%20preta/terrapretamain.html


The Lehman paper (http://www.css.cornell.edu/faculty/lehmann/publ/PlantSoil%20249,%20343-357,%202003%20Lehmann.pdf) seems to discuss the relative leaching of nutrients from different types of improved soils (ferralsol and anthrosol?).

notemason

(299 posts)
17. Nitrate levels vary greatly with the various manures,
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 06:30 PM
Feb 2014

leaving room to skew studies if one wishes. Would have a look at natural nitrates versus chemical as well. Study was also done on a coastal aquifer with groundwater levels pushing the extremes, not the norm. Confession: growing vegetables for years with organic methods; lot of work but damn I'm healthy.

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
18. I smell bullshit!
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 02:51 AM
Feb 2014

"under intensive organic farming"



There is nothing magic about the word organic.

Sustainable agriculture is the goal.

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