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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 08:54 PM Jul 2014

Mysterious signal from the center of the Perseus Cluster unexplained by known physics

Astronomers using NASA's Chandra X-ray Observatory to explore the Perseus Cluster, a swarm of galaxies approximately 250 million light years from Earth, have observed the spectral line that appears not to come from any known type of matter. The signal they received can not be explained by known physics but they say it shifts suspicion to the dark matter.

Perseus Cluster a collection of galaxies and one of the most massive known objects in the Universe, immersed in an enormous 'atmosphere' of superheated plasma. It is approximately 768 000 light years across.


Perseus Cluster. Image credit: Credit: NASA / Chandra

"I couldn't believe my eyes," says Esra Bulbul of the Harvard Center for Astrophysics. "What we found, at first glance, could not be explained by known physics."

"The cluster's atmosphere is full of ions such as Fe XXV, Si XIV, and S XV. Each one produces a 'bump' or 'line' in the x-ray spectrum, which we can map using Chandra. These spectral lines are at well-known x-ray energies."

Yet, in 2012 when Bulbul added together 17 day's worth of Chandra data, a new line popped up where no line should be.

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http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/2014/07/25/mysterious-signal-from-the-center-of-the-perseus-cluster-unexplained-by-known-physics/

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Mysterious signal from the center of the Perseus Cluster unexplained by known physics (Original Post) n2doc Jul 2014 OP
It's a warning beacon to stay away. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #1
Well, dammit. Nonrefundable ticket. Thor_MN Jul 2014 #2
DUzy! nt longship Jul 2014 #3
Excellent! jimlup Jul 2014 #4
Article says she confirmed it in 73 other clusters phantom power Jul 2014 #13
Thanks.. jimlup Jul 2014 #14
Grumpy Cat GeorgeGist Jul 2014 #5
Way over my head. Laffy Kat Jul 2014 #6
attempted explaination Takket Jul 2014 #7
This helps tremendously. Laffy Kat Jul 2014 #9
However it's easily explained by unknown physics Blue Owl Jul 2014 #8
It cracks me up when our teenager talks about anything cosmology/physics related MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #10
It's got demon eyes! xfundy Jul 2014 #11
First comment there says it all. BadgerKid Jul 2014 #12
If it only gave us prime numbers sakabatou Jul 2014 #15
Or, zeroes to the Riemann zeta function getting old in mke Jul 2014 #16

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
4. Excellent!
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 09:29 PM
Jul 2014

We really need some more clues about dark matter. Yeah, I'm essentially an x-ray physicist. The x-ray spectrum of all the known elements is very well characterized. It is like a fingerprint (or even better actually.)

Trying to think of nominal explanations... supermassive black holes do weird things in x-ray but I can't imagine how it would produce a distinct line.

Conformation in this case would be to see it coming from an another cluster.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
14. Thanks..
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 10:39 PM
Jul 2014

I'm going to have to take a look at this result. That she sees it in other clusters makes it seem substantial. Gee! I wish I had the time to devote to reading stuff like this these days!

Laffy Kat

(16,383 posts)
6. Way over my head.
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 10:01 PM
Jul 2014

Pun intended. I can't even begin to understand this. Please someone explain the implications in lay terms. Thanking you in advance.

Takket

(21,582 posts)
7. attempted explaination
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 10:31 PM
Jul 2014

Here is the wiki article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectral_line

in lay terms, suppose you know three people. a man, woman and a child. they stand in front of a bright light and cast a shadow on the wall. you are asked to identify them by their shadow.

you know the woman by seeing the length of he hair and the curvature of her breasts in her shadow. You know the man because he has shorter hair and no breasts. You know the child because she is very short. But now a 4th person steps into the light. their shadow doesn't conform to anyone you know. is it a short woman? a tall child? you just don't know.

the scientists are reporting a spectral "shadow" that don't conform to any element they've ever seen. it should be noted that spectral lines are not literally shadows, just a close analogy.

Laffy Kat

(16,383 posts)
9. This helps tremendously.
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 11:40 PM
Jul 2014

Thanks so much, Takket. Love science but I'm all about biology. Physics is a difficult concept for me. Your effort is appreciated.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
10. It cracks me up when our teenager talks about anything cosmology/physics related
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 12:08 AM
Jul 2014

I have a pretty good background in the subject, and I think it's important to know this stuff. But... The more I know, the more I realize how little we know. We come up with thoughts that tie some observations together, then blow those up with new observations.

Who knows what the future brings! And that's OK.

BadgerKid

(4,553 posts)
12. First comment there says it all.
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 08:30 AM
Jul 2014

"So a signal that should not exist is given origins in something that does not exist. The strange ways of modern non-science."

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