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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 03:11 PM Jan 2015

Most Earth-like planet ever discovered could be a cosy home for alien life

An alien world that orbits a distant star in the constellation of Lyra may be the most Earth-like planet ever found outside the solar system.

The planet, named Kepler 438b, is slightly larger than Earth and circles an orange dwarf star that bathes it in 40% more heat than our home planet receives from the sun.

The small size of Kepler 438b makes it likely to be a rocky world, while its proximity to its star puts it in the “Goldilocks” or habitable zone where the temperature is just right for liquid water to flow.

A rocky surface and flowing water are two of the most important factors scientists look for when assessing a planet’s chances of being hospitable to life.

Kepler 438b, which is 470 light years away, completes an orbit around its star every 35 days, making a year on the planet pass 10 times as fast as on Earth. Small planets are more likely to be rocky than huge ones, and at only 12% larger than our home planet, the odds of Kepler 438b being rocky are about 70%, researchers said.

more

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jan/06/earth-like-planet-alien-life-kepler-438b

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Most Earth-like planet ever discovered could be a cosy home for alien life (Original Post) n2doc Jan 2015 OP
Very cool! Feral Child Jan 2015 #1
If it's larger than Earth and receiving more heat, isn't it likely to be a runaway greenhouse planet MillennialDem Jan 2015 #2
Depends on what's in the atmosphere. jeff47 Jan 2015 #8
"planets don't have a fixed density" Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #10
Unless the planet is largely crustal with a small nickel-iron core MillennialDem Jan 2015 #11
Not with the information we have. jeff47 Jan 2015 #15
Depends on the greenhouse gas levels. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #9
Well yes but provided there is significant water vapor / methane / CO2 wouldn't MillennialDem Jan 2015 #12
There were theories that early earth should have done the "runaway" thing too... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #16
You're presuming the planet has Earth's chemical makeup. jeff47 Jan 2015 #17
Not according to Sen. Inhofe. All that greenhouse stuff is just Al Gore pranking us. tclambert Jan 2015 #13
Cool! Now we just have to travel at the speed of light for 470 years and we can start ruining it! Scuba Jan 2015 #3
I'm positive it wouldn't take us that long. I saw it done on TV once. BlueJazz Jan 2015 #5
... Fearless Jan 2015 #18
LOL! AllyCat Jan 2015 #21
Welcome Keplarians! BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #4
I remember when they claimed dwarf stars had no planets. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #6
many trillions of miles away heaven05 Jan 2015 #7
Eight new planets where life could exist found Judi Lynn Jan 2015 #14
I wonder what we would be able to find if..... BobbyBoring Jan 2015 #19
You know, maybe this is how everyone in the Old Testament lived AllyCat Jan 2015 #20

Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
1. Very cool!
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 03:20 PM
Jan 2015

I'm not a scientist, can't cope with the math, but I really enjoy layman reports.

SciFi geek, but I'm mostly in it for the girls...

Thanks for posting.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
8. Depends on what's in the atmosphere.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 04:56 PM
Jan 2015

For example, if Venus had Earth's atmosphere, it would be a bit warmer but easily habitable by Earth lifeforms.

We don't have any idea what the planet's atmosphere is like. It might not even have one. Mars appears to have lost almost all of its atmosphere when its core solidified, so that it no longer had a magnetic field.

We also have no idea what the planet's mass is. It's slightly larger in diameter than Earth, but planets don't have a fixed density. So it could actually have less gravity than Earth....or it could have way more.

 

MillennialDem

(2,367 posts)
11. Unless the planet is largely crustal with a small nickel-iron core
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 05:13 PM
Jan 2015

wouldn't a less dense planet imply a smaller mantle-core and larger atmosphere causing an even worse greenhouse effect, provided there are significant greenhouse gasses on the planet (whether in the atmosphere or ocean or rocks?)

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
15. Not with the information we have.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 05:21 PM
Jan 2015

The planet was found using the 'transit' method. So all we know is the diameter of the planet and the period of its orbit. And that diameter only includes the solid parts of the planet, not the atmosphere. If it has one.

There's a whole lot of possible configurations of the planet and atmosphere, plus the interaction with the much closer star and its solar wind.

 

MillennialDem

(2,367 posts)
12. Well yes but provided there is significant water vapor / methane / CO2 wouldn't
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 05:14 PM
Jan 2015

the extra heat cause more of that to get into the atmopshere (rather than remain in the rocks and ocean) and cause a runaway?

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
16. There were theories that early earth should have done the "runaway" thing too...
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 05:25 PM
Jan 2015

But it seems plant life ate up a lot of the CO2. On the plus side the massive amounts of oxygen they put out resulted in some big ass bugs.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
17. You're presuming the planet has Earth's chemical makeup.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 05:26 PM
Jan 2015

And we don't know that to be true. Methane could be more rare, for example.

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
13. Not according to Sen. Inhofe. All that greenhouse stuff is just Al Gore pranking us.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 05:17 PM
Jan 2015

I suppose it depends some on the ingredients of the atmosphere. But I would guess you are right. My quick calculations say Venus gets about 50% more solar radiation than Earth, but the massive insulating properties of the Venusian atmosphere make it even hotter than that would suggest. My guess is Kepler 438b would fall somewhere between Earth and Venus climate-wise. "Cosy" may be the interstellar real estate codeword for "hot as hell."

Oh, further down in the article it says they expect Kepler 438b may have a mean temperature of 60 degrees Celsius, which works out to about 140 degrees Fahrenheit (or 14 furlongs if I got the right conversion factors there). That's Death Valley in July plus a smidge. Not pleasant. In fact, at that temperature it takes about 30-35 minutes to pasteurize milk. So, let's name the planet Pasteur.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
3. Cool! Now we just have to travel at the speed of light for 470 years and we can start ruining it!
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 04:15 PM
Jan 2015
 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
5. I'm positive it wouldn't take us that long. I saw it done on TV once.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 04:35 PM
Jan 2015

I think it was something called "Worf Drive ??



 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
7. many trillions of miles away
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 04:54 PM
Jan 2015

5.88 trillion=one light year in miles....hope we discover 'warp' speed soon......

Judi Lynn

(160,545 posts)
14. Eight new planets where life could exist found
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 05:19 PM
Jan 2015

Eight new planets where life could exist found

By Ellie Zolfagharifard

8:31 AM Wednesday Jan 7, 2015


Eight new planets have been discovered in the 'Goldilocks' zone of their stars, orbiting at a distance where oceans and life could exist.

The discovery doubles the number of small planets less than twice the diameter of Earth that are believed to be in the habitable zone of their parent stars.

Among these eight, astronomers said there were two that were the most similar to Earth of any known exoplanets to date.

'Most of these planets have a good chance of being rocky, like Earth,' said lead scientist Dr Guillermo Torres, from the Harvard-Smithsonian Centre for Astrophysics in Cambridge, US.

The two most Earth-like planets, known as Kepler-438b and Kepler-442b, both orbit red dwarf stars that are smaller and cooler than the sun.

With a diameter just 12 per cent bigger than Earth, Kepler-438b has a 70 per cent chance of being rocky, the scientists have calculated.

More:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/science/news/article.cfm?c_id=82&objectid=11382935&ref=rss

BobbyBoring

(1,965 posts)
19. I wonder what we would be able to find if.....
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 05:46 PM
Jan 2015

We took the money spent on wars and used it for space research? We are going to need a new planet soon.

AllyCat

(16,189 posts)
20. You know, maybe this is how everyone in the Old Testament lived
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 05:48 PM
Jan 2015

Hundreds of years. Their lives were measured by Keplerian visitors.

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