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Renew Deal

(81,869 posts)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:06 PM Apr 2015

Neil deGrasse Tyson is against cremation

Heard him talking about this today:

“I would request that my body in death be buried not cremated, so that the energy content contained within it gets returned to the earth, so that flora and fauna can dine upon it, just as I have dined upon flora and fauna during my lifetime”

http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/497426-i-would-request-that-my-body-in-death-be-buried

He said that when people are cremated the energy is expended in flames and goes out through smoke stacks. He prefers to refeed the system.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson is against cremation (Original Post) Renew Deal Apr 2015 OP
I want to be handed over to a body farm. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #1
Why would you want to help cops? ncjustice80 Apr 2015 #37
science is science Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #41
Yep UT has the premier forensic anthropology program. Docreed2003 Jan 2016 #52
Worse, we not only throw that energy away but also use fossil fuels in the process. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #2
Never thought of that one, interesting... AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #4
Yes, he actually mentioned that Renew Deal Apr 2015 #8
Feed me to the fishies in the sea. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #10
ever since that plane went down in the everglades mopinko Apr 2015 #25
I remember that. ValuJet flight 592. It plum disappeared down in the deep. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #30
yeah, i took a flight with them not to long after. mopinko Apr 2015 #32
Air tran brucefan Jan 2016 #54
Throw a few tree seeds on me, then pile on the dirt! arcane1 Apr 2015 #3
Get in writing first Brother Buzz Apr 2015 #12
I haven't given much thought to the type of tree. arcane1 Apr 2015 #16
That can work if you have land out in the country... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2015 #34
I would prefer to be burried without ever being embalmed... shedevil69taz Apr 2015 #5
In Oregon, burial on private land is OK central scrutinizer Apr 2015 #19
I agree with Neil. It's either Himalayan sky burial... DreamGypsy Apr 2015 #6
I tend to agree. Atman Apr 2015 #7
Hefty Bag on the south forty for me.......... lastlib Apr 2015 #38
That's what my mom always said. Large black garbage bag she won't care she will be dead Person 2713 Jan 2016 #57
When I was planning my dad's funeral exboyfil Apr 2015 #9
Most of the people... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2015 #35
Its an admirable goal, but the cost factor is a significant consideration. procon Apr 2015 #11
How about Soylent Green for flora? Martin Eden Apr 2015 #15
Eeek... Major yuck factor! procon Apr 2015 #17
Actually you can do it yourself. progressoid Apr 2015 #43
Dern, I want to be cremated in a cardboard box angstlessk Apr 2015 #13
"so that flora and fauna can dine upon it, just as I have dined upon flora and fauna" Martin Eden Apr 2015 #14
The places where a green burial is available are limited csziggy Apr 2015 #18
Consider a cardboard coffin LastLiberal in PalmSprings Apr 2015 #22
I don't see the need for a coffin, actually csziggy Apr 2015 #23
many thanks for posting this info SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #62
Uhhh... Warpy Apr 2015 #20
"Tan me hide when I'm dead, Fred. Tan me hide when I'm dead. jtuck004 Apr 2015 #21
Please don't bury me down in that cold, cold ground... Flying Squirrel Apr 2015 #24
Thanks!!! That's funny!! Manifestor_of_Light Apr 2015 #29
Most of us do not have the money to do what he wants. jwirr Apr 2015 #26
If you've ever tried to bury anyone lately, there are obstacles to this. Cleita Apr 2015 #27
Incorrect. It is only required in certain cases, namely transportation across state lines. Thor_MN Jan 2016 #48
In most states the body has to be pumped full of toxic chemicals and the sealed. Nothing LiberalArkie Apr 2015 #28
That's great when you can afford a grave. nt valerief Apr 2015 #31
"When I die, don't bury me In a box in a cemetary Out in the garden would be much better & I ... Faryn Balyncd Apr 2015 #33
He's not going to get what he wants jberryhill Apr 2015 #36
Actually, in 43 states & DC, loved ones can be responsible for the body themselves. progressoid Apr 2015 #42
There's a natural burial ground in SC dgibby Jan 2016 #55
Cremation isn't Real Science..... lastlib Apr 2015 #39
You might be thinking of the best stuff to use when cremating someone BlueJazz Jan 2016 #47
I want to be cryonically frozen - I know it is expensive, untested, and wasteful environmentally but MillennialDem Apr 2015 #40
I'm with you qazplm Apr 2015 #44
Joe Diffie had the right idea liberaltrucker Apr 2015 #45
maybe instead of cremation we could be pyrolytically converted to bio char n/t. airplaneman Jan 2016 #46
Now that's an idea.....lol haikugal Jan 2016 #60
You Can't Compost Meat (And Other Ridiculous Myths) hunter Jan 2016 #49
Yes it would...it makes total sense. haikugal Jan 2016 #61
After transplant surgeons harvest anything that still works, the rest is cat food. eppur_se_muova Jan 2016 #50
You want to feed human remains to cats? Renew Deal Jan 2016 #58
No, embalming for me. Just wrap me in a talit and bury me in the dirt. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2016 #51
Adam Ruins Everything recently covered the funeral industry: callous taoboy Jan 2016 #53
I read an article recently on human composting. missingthebigdog Jan 2016 #56
I had to put down one of my horses. haikugal Jan 2016 #59
But if you are cremated nothing is truly lost its just transformed. cstanleytech Jan 2016 #63
I want the heat from my cremation JesterCS Jan 2016 #64
I'm in favor of excarnation. One can do it too, legally, at the "body farm." NNadir Jan 2016 #65

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
1. I want to be handed over to a body farm.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:09 PM
Apr 2015

I think the one I was looking at is based out of the University of Tennessee. After they finish using you for forensics, they clean you off and keep the skeleton in their collection for future study usage.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
41. science is science
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 06:52 AM
Apr 2015

and it's not police running the body farm, it's academics. The knowledge they gain can be used for defense purposes just as easily as for prosecution.

Docreed2003

(16,869 posts)
52. Yep UT has the premier forensic anthropology program.
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 01:08 PM
Jan 2016

It's actually located on the mountain behind the medical center where I trained. They do some incredible research there and are routinely called upon for their expertise.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
2. Worse, we not only throw that energy away but also use fossil fuels in the process.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:11 PM
Apr 2015

So it's a doubly bad idea.

I want to become food to be used by endangered species.

A burial at sea would be fine with me!

mopinko

(70,178 posts)
25. ever since that plane went down in the everglades
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 05:07 PM
Apr 2015

(20 years ago now?) i have thought that the idea way to go.

mopinko

(70,178 posts)
32. yeah, i took a flight with them not to long after.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 05:39 PM
Apr 2015

they changed their name, and for the life of me i couldnt remember it. just kept thinking of them as lucky jet.

Brother Buzz

(36,456 posts)
12. Get in writing first
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 01:04 PM
Apr 2015

Insist on no embalming fluid, which might destroy the microbial decomposers that break your body down, and a biodegradable coffin, casket, or shroud; think green. What type of tree?

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
34. That can work if you have land out in the country...
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 06:14 PM
Apr 2015

in the city you will be buried in a concrete vault in the ground, where your body will feed nothing.

shedevil69taz

(512 posts)
5. I would prefer to be burried without ever being embalmed...
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:19 PM
Apr 2015

back in Oregon maybe with a myrtlewood tree planted on top of me...

central scrutinizer

(11,659 posts)
19. In Oregon, burial on private land is OK
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 01:53 PM
Apr 2015
http://www.oregon.gov/MortCem/popularity_boxes/burial_20091221.pdf

Q: I own property in the State of Oregon. Is it le
gal for me to bury a family member on the property?
A. Yes, as long as certain conditions are met. Oregon Revi
sed Statute 97 allows for the use of private property for
family burial grounds as long as the following is true:

You are the owner of the property or you have
consent of all the owners of the property;

You have contacted the local planning commission in
your area and you have met their requirements for
land use, if any; and have their written consent;

You agree to maintain accurate, perm
anent records of the burial, and;

You agree to disclose the burial upon sale of the property.
You must also meet all State requirements for the completion of the death certificate and acquire all transport
permits or other documenta
tion required by the Office of Vital Statistics

DreamGypsy

(2,252 posts)
6. I agree with Neil. It's either Himalayan sky burial...
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:20 PM
Apr 2015

...or nourishment for a bristlecone pine.




NB: I like to make a few substitutions in the lyrics, for example

When Jesus was gathering lambs to his fold,
The tree was already a thousand years old.

becomes

When the Pharaohs were gilding their coffins with gold,
The tree as already a thousand years old.


and

By the way I have lived there ain't no way to tell
When I die if I'm going to heaven or hell.

becomes

From what I have learned I confirm for myself
When I die I won't be anywhere else.
So when my time is done it would suit me just fine
To be placed at the foot of a bristlecone pine.

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
57. That's what my mom always said. Large black garbage bag she won't care she will be dead
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 02:13 PM
Jan 2016

(My family chose to cremate her and scatter the ashes)

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
9. When I was planning my dad's funeral
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:30 PM
Apr 2015

we were required to get a vault (in addition to the non-biodegradable casket). They even had options for expensive water seals for the vault. I just could not understand it.

I agree with Tyson's sentiments, but the fact remains that our current method of dealing with death makes what he suggests difficult. Every human body is a potential homicide until we know otherwise. Probably best option would be something like a rending machine after predation by scavengers.

I always thought the Zoroastrians had it right (letting raptors consume the body).

Most places if you don't get the body into the ground within a short period of time you are required to embalm. Not a good thing. Cemeteries require vaults so the ground does not sink so I am not sure where you can be buried without doing the crazy stuff we do (embalming, displaying body, non-biodegradable casket, and vault).

procon

(15,805 posts)
11. Its an admirable goal, but the cost factor is a significant consideration.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:40 PM
Apr 2015

It's very expensive to have a burial compared to cremation. And given the strict health and public safety laws governing how bodies must be interred, the chance of my remains actually becoming available as a food source is pretty much nil.

At least with cremation, my remaining bony bits will be appreciated by my favorite rose bushes.

Martin Eden

(12,874 posts)
15. How about Soylent Green for flora?
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 01:19 PM
Apr 2015

Process the bodies in a sanitary manner and make the best use of the ingredients to make plant food.

I don't think we're ready to turn people into food for animals or humans to eat.

procon

(15,805 posts)
17. Eeek... Major yuck factor!
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 01:35 PM
Apr 2015

No way that would work; and from start to finish, I gotta think that would really gross out most people.

progressoid

(49,992 posts)
43. Actually you can do it yourself.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 04:28 PM
Apr 2015

Well, your friends/family can...



...
Can I Bury Grandpa in the Back Yard?

Burial on private land is allowed in most counties in the United States, as long as certain requirements are met. The site must meet “distance from municipality” requirements and have a minimum number of acres. A family burial plot or cemetery must be registered with the county government. A “declaration of use” should be accompanied with a plat map, showing the exact location of the burial place.

Obviously, all of this paperwork takes time. It should be completed well in advance of any anticipated death and burial.


Can We Care for the Body at Home?

Despite what many people believe, only seven states require the involvement of a funeral director in the death process – Connecticut, Illinois, Indiana, Louisiana, Michigan, Nebraska and New York. If a person dies at home, the body can be prepared at home, the service held at home, and (in the circumstances listed above) the body buried at home. Proper death certificates and other documents must be filed.

Many states that do require a funeral director will allow the director to come to the home to validate the death and prepare the death certificate. If a person dies at the hospital, the body usually can be brought home for preparation and a funeral service prior to burial. You may need a permit to transport.

more...
http://blogs.lawyers.com/2013/09/are-green-burials-legal/


angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
13. Dern, I want to be cremated in a cardboard box
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 01:13 PM
Apr 2015

To save my loved ones mucho money...sorry Neil

IF I had an option to be buried in same cardboard box to be feed for those who feed on dead bodies..I would be fine with that.

I like the idea of the body farm..but I am old, will they want me?

I recall my mother chanting "the worms crawl in, the worms crawl out, they crawl all over your nose and mouth"

Martin Eden

(12,874 posts)
14. "so that flora and fauna can dine upon it, just as I have dined upon flora and fauna"
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 01:16 PM
Apr 2015

Neil deGrasse Tyson groks!!!

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
18. The places where a green burial is available are limited
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 01:51 PM
Apr 2015

So for most people, cremation is a more cost effective option. But the green burial movement is growing:

http://www.greenburials.org/

http://greenburialcouncil.org/

http://www.cemeterygroup.org/media/GreenCemeteries.pdf

I need to check on the laws here since I would like to be buried on our farm and do not want to be embalmed. I don't want my grave marked except maybe for a tree planted on it. Or maybe don't even be buried; I told my husband, just wrap a sheet around my body and leave it in the woods - but then he'd probably have problems with the cops.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
23. I don't see the need for a coffin, actually
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:15 PM
Apr 2015

I'm not going to have a service - that has been specified already in my final wishes. I see no reason to encase my body in any container. I want the worms and bugs to have easy access.

Right now my instructions are to be cremated because it was simpler but I plan to investigate how to have a green burial on our own property. I can always change those plans if we ever sell the place but if possible, I plan to live out my life here and die here.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
21. "Tan me hide when I'm dead, Fred. Tan me hide when I'm dead.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:27 PM
Apr 2015

So we tanned his hide when he died, Clyde, and that's it hangin' on the shed.

All together now...!"



TURN UP THE VOLUME!!!
 

Flying Squirrel

(3,041 posts)
24. Please don't bury me down in that cold, cold ground...
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 04:23 PM
Apr 2015


I woke up this morning
Put on my slippers
Walked in the kitchen and died

And oh what a feelin
When my soul went through the ceiling
And on up to heaven I did ride.
When I got there they did say
"John, it happened this 'a way:
You slipped upon the floor and hit your head!
And all the angels say, just before you passed away,
These were the very last words that you said:

Chorus:

Please don't bury me down in the cold cold ground!
I'd rather have them cut me up and pass me all around!
Throw my brain in a hurricane,
The blind can have my eyes,
And the deaf can take both a' my ears if they don't mind the size!

Give my stomach to Milwaukee if they run out of beer,
Put my socks in a cedar box - just get 'em outta here!
Venus de Milo can have my arms -
Look out, I've got your nose!
Sell my heart to the junk man,
And give my love to Rose!

(chorus)

Give my feet to the footloose,
Careless fancy free.
Give my knees to the needy -
Don't pull that stuff on me!
Hand me down my walkin' cane;
It's a sin to tell a lie.
Send my mouth way down south
And kiss my ass goodbye!

(chorus)

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
27. If you've ever tried to bury anyone lately, there are obstacles to this.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 05:18 PM
Apr 2015

Many states require embalming and a concrete vault to inter a body. The reason for this is to prevent the spread of disease in case of flooding or other conditions that can get corpse material into waterways.

You can return the ashes to the earth and they won't be carrying strains of bacteria or other infectious diseases.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
48. Incorrect. It is only required in certain cases, namely transportation across state lines.
Sun Jan 3, 2016, 11:58 PM
Jan 2016
http://www.funerals.org/frequently-asked-questions/48-what-you-should-know-about-embalming

When is embalming required?
Embalming is rarely required by law. In fact, the Federal Trade Commission and many state regulators require that funeral directors inform consumers that embalming is not required except in certain special cases. Embalming is mandated when a body crosses state lines from Alabama and Alaska. Five other states—California, Idaho, Kansas, Minnesota and New Jersey—require embalming when the body leaves those states by common carrier (airplane or train).

LiberalArkie

(15,727 posts)
28. In most states the body has to be pumped full of toxic chemicals and the sealed. Nothing
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 05:19 PM
Apr 2015

natural about that.If you could be buried without embalming that would be different.

Faryn Balyncd

(5,125 posts)
33. "When I die, don't bury me In a box in a cemetary Out in the garden would be much better & I ...
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 05:54 PM
Apr 2015

... could be pushing up home grown tomatoes." - Guy Clark










Home Grown Tomatoes
- Guy Clark

Well, there ain't nothin' in the world that I like better
Than bacon and lettuce and homegrown tomatoes
Up in the mornin', out in the garden
Get you a ripe one, hey, don't get a hard one

Plant 'em in the spring, eat 'em in the summer
All winter with out 'em's a culinary bummer
I forget all about the sweatin' and diggin'
Everytime I go out and pick me a big one

Homegrown tomatoes, homegrown tomatoes
What'd life be without homegrown tomatoes
Only two things that money can't buy
And that's true love and homegrown tomatoes


Now you can go out to eat and that's for sure
But it's nothin' a homegrown tomato won't cure
Put 'em in a salad, put 'em in a stew
You make your very own tomato juice

You can eat 'em with eggs, eat 'em with gravy
Eat 'em with beans, pinto or navy
Put 'em on the side, put 'em in the middle
Put a homegrown tomato on a hotcake griddle

Homegrown tomatoes, homegrown tomatoes
What'd life be without homegrown tomatoes
Only two things that money can't buy
And that's true love and homegrown tomatoes


If I's to change this life I lead
I'd be Johnny Tomato Seed
'Cause I know what this country needs
Homegrown tomatoes in every yard you see, yeah

When I die, don't bury me
In a box in a cemetary
Out in the garden would be much better
And I could be pushin' up homegrown tomatoes


Homegrown tomatoes, homegrown tomatoes
What'd life be without homegrown tomatoes
Only two things that money can't buy
And that's true love and homegrown tomatoes












 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
36. He's not going to get what he wants
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 06:33 PM
Apr 2015

You can't bury a body in a state where there will happen.

As noted above, most states require the body to be pumped full of chemicals before burial.

progressoid

(49,992 posts)
42. Actually, in 43 states & DC, loved ones can be responsible for the body themselves.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 04:26 PM
Apr 2015

...
Can I Bury Grandpa in the Back Yard?

Burial on private land is allowed in most counties in the United States, as long as certain requirements are met. The site must meet “distance from municipality” requirements and have a minimum number of acres. A family burial plot or cemetery must be registered with the county government. A “declaration of use” should be accompanied with a plat map, showing the exact location of the burial place.

Obviously, all of this paperwork takes time. It should be completed well in advance of any anticipated death and burial.


Can We Care for the Body at Home?

Despite what many people believe, only seven states require the involvement of a funeral director in the death process – Connecticut, Illinois, Indiana, Louisiana, Michigan, Nebraska and New York. If a person dies at home, the body can be prepared at home, the service held at home, and (in the circumstances listed above) the body buried at home. Proper death certificates and other documents must be filed.

Many states that do require a funeral director will allow the director to come to the home to validate the death and prepare the death certificate. If a person dies at the hospital, the body usually can be brought home for preparation and a funeral service prior to burial. You may need a permit to transport.

more...
http://blogs.lawyers.com/2013/09/are-green-burials-legal/

dgibby

(9,474 posts)
55. There's a natural burial ground in SC
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 02:04 PM
Jan 2016

that meets all his requirements. I'm guessing other states probably have similar facilities. I have no problem with cremation as long as the ashes are spread-they're great for the garden.

lastlib

(23,266 posts)
39. Cremation isn't Real Science.....
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 10:50 PM
Apr 2015

it's just a theory, I don't think we should teach it in schools......................oh, wait--that's another subject..................(never mind!)

 

MillennialDem

(2,367 posts)
40. I want to be cryonically frozen - I know it is expensive, untested, and wasteful environmentally but
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 11:26 PM
Apr 2015

it's the only way I can hope to see the future. I want to see what science discovers in the NEXT 500 years of the revolution, considering how much we learned from copernicus to now.

Of course I'm only 34 and have good longevity genes, so by the time I'm old enough (outside of getting hit by a bus or something) hopefully they'll have made improvements to the freezing process.

qazplm

(3,626 posts)
44. I'm with you
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 11:29 AM
Apr 2015

freeze me, and play the lottery ticket that somehow I get revived later.

The odds are infinitesimal, but that's still better than zero.

hunter

(38,322 posts)
49. You Can't Compost Meat (And Other Ridiculous Myths)
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 12:34 PM
Jan 2016
Most of us have read articles on “how to compost.” Some of us (like me… your friendly neighborhood mad scientist) have read many thousands of pages on the subject.

If you listen to the experts, the process sounds like a pain in the neck. No meat! No bread! No oils! No paper! Make a nice set of boxes! Put hardware cloth and motion detectors in to control rats! Get the C/N ratio right! Ensure a thermophilic reaction! Ask your neighbors first! Keep it moist but not wet! Check with local authorities! Turn it monthly – weekly – daily – hourly!

Yikes... no wonder we keep throwing banana peels in the trash.

It’s time to take a deep breath and re-think composting...

--more--

http://www.motherearthnews.com/organic-gardening/compost-myths-zbcz1311.aspx


But wouldn't it be wonderful if every community had a memorial forest?

Tear down and recycle some shopping center and parking lot, a golf course or two, start putting people who have passed away in holes with trees planted on top of them.

A hundred year cycle ought to do the trick; new corpses and new trees blended in with the old.

It could be a very beautiful place.

eppur_se_muova

(36,280 posts)
50. After transplant surgeons harvest anything that still works, the rest is cat food.
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 01:01 PM
Jan 2016

Yes, I would be happy with seeing my corpse fed to someone's pets in place of livestock by-products. Compost the scraps, if there are any.

Renew Deal

(81,869 posts)
58. You want to feed human remains to cats?
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 02:16 PM
Jan 2016

I'm pretty sure that will not sell well at Petco.

Are humans considered free range?

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
51. No, embalming for me. Just wrap me in a talit and bury me in the dirt.
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 01:07 PM
Jan 2016

Whatever comes next, (be it nothing or something) I will have no need of my flesh.

callous taoboy

(4,585 posts)
53. Adam Ruins Everything recently covered the funeral industry:
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 01:20 PM
Jan 2016

A must - see if you want to go natural after death and save your loved ones a pile of cash in the process.

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
59. I had to put down one of my horses.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 12:01 AM
Jan 2016

We have land but we also have a creek. We couldn't bury him within several hundred feet of the watershed so it meant we couldn't bury him. I did research and decided to compost him. Next spring it will be 2 ½ years and we'll take apart the compost pile and gather his bones. I'll choose a nice spot in the pasture and we'll lay his bones to rest.

I wouldn't have a problem with doing that for myself if my son could deal. Otherwise I guess as Neil says cremation is out and I'll look for something green...here on the place. If possible. No casket, a small Dixieland parade would be nice but really not necessary. No church. No prayers. Just fond memories, I hope.

cstanleytech

(26,312 posts)
63. But if you are cremated nothing is truly lost its just transformed.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 06:56 AM
Jan 2016

Also in time if the sun expands far enough out the earth will become dust yet again and then later on billions upon billions of years later it will become something else.

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