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Related: About this forumNeil deGrasse Tyson is against cremation
Heard him talking about this today:
I would request that my body in death be buried not cremated, so that the energy content contained within it gets returned to the earth, so that flora and fauna can dine upon it, just as I have dined upon flora and fauna during my lifetime
http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/497426-i-would-request-that-my-body-in-death-be-buried
He said that when people are cremated the energy is expended in flames and goes out through smoke stacks. He prefers to refeed the system.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)I think the one I was looking at is based out of the University of Tennessee. After they finish using you for forensics, they clean you off and keep the skeleton in their collection for future study usage.
ncjustice80
(948 posts)They just fabricate forensic evidence when they need it anyway.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)and it's not police running the body farm, it's academics. The knowledge they gain can be used for defense purposes just as easily as for prosecution.
Docreed2003
(16,869 posts)It's actually located on the mountain behind the medical center where I trained. They do some incredible research there and are routinely called upon for their expertise.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)So it's a doubly bad idea.
I want to become food to be used by endangered species.
A burial at sea would be fine with me!
AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)Renew Deal
(81,869 posts)It heats the planet.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)I'm a Pisces, it only seems right!
mopinko
(70,178 posts)(20 years ago now?) i have thought that the idea way to go.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Something about canisters.
mopinko
(70,178 posts)they changed their name, and for the life of me i couldnt remember it. just kept thinking of them as lucky jet.
I think
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Brother Buzz
(36,456 posts)Insist on no embalming fluid, which might destroy the microbial decomposers that break your body down, and a biodegradable coffin, casket, or shroud; think green. What type of tree?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Dammit!
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)in the city you will be buried in a concrete vault in the ground, where your body will feed nothing.
shedevil69taz
(512 posts)back in Oregon maybe with a myrtlewood tree planted on top of me...
central scrutinizer
(11,659 posts)Q: I own property in the State of Oregon. Is it le
gal for me to bury a family member on the property?
A. Yes, as long as certain conditions are met. Oregon Revi
sed Statute 97 allows for the use of private property for
family burial grounds as long as the following is true:
You are the owner of the property or you have
consent of all the owners of the property;
You have contacted the local planning commission in
your area and you have met their requirements for
land use, if any; and have their written consent;
You agree to maintain accurate, perm
anent records of the burial, and;
You agree to disclose the burial upon sale of the property.
You must also meet all State requirements for the completion of the death certificate and acquire all transport
permits or other documenta
tion required by the Office of Vital Statistics
DreamGypsy
(2,252 posts)...or nourishment for a bristlecone pine.
NB: I like to make a few substitutions in the lyrics, for example
When Jesus was gathering lambs to his fold,
The tree was already a thousand years old.
becomes
When the Pharaohs were gilding their coffins with gold,
The tree as already a thousand years old.
and
By the way I have lived there ain't no way to tell
When I die if I'm going to heaven or hell.
becomes
From what I have learned I confirm for myself
When I die I won't be anywhere else.
So when my time is done it would suit me just fine
To be placed at the foot of a bristlecone pine.
Atman
(31,464 posts)Just put me in a hole in the ground, not in a cemetery in a $3000 box.
lastlib
(23,266 posts)I won't care--I'm dead.
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)(My family chose to cremate her and scatter the ashes)
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)we were required to get a vault (in addition to the non-biodegradable casket). They even had options for expensive water seals for the vault. I just could not understand it.
I agree with Tyson's sentiments, but the fact remains that our current method of dealing with death makes what he suggests difficult. Every human body is a potential homicide until we know otherwise. Probably best option would be something like a rending machine after predation by scavengers.
I always thought the Zoroastrians had it right (letting raptors consume the body).
Most places if you don't get the body into the ground within a short period of time you are required to embalm. Not a good thing. Cemeteries require vaults so the ground does not sink so I am not sure where you can be buried without doing the crazy stuff we do (embalming, displaying body, non-biodegradable casket, and vault).
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)who sell supplies to funeral homes are mafia.
procon
(15,805 posts)It's very expensive to have a burial compared to cremation. And given the strict health and public safety laws governing how bodies must be interred, the chance of my remains actually becoming available as a food source is pretty much nil.
At least with cremation, my remaining bony bits will be appreciated by my favorite rose bushes.
Martin Eden
(12,874 posts)Process the bodies in a sanitary manner and make the best use of the ingredients to make plant food.
I don't think we're ready to turn people into food for animals or humans to eat.
procon
(15,805 posts)No way that would work; and from start to finish, I gotta think that would really gross out most people.
progressoid
(49,992 posts)Well, your friends/family can...
...
Can I Bury Grandpa in the Back Yard?
Burial on private land is allowed in most counties in the United States, as long as certain requirements are met. The site must meet distance from municipality requirements and have a minimum number of acres. A family burial plot or cemetery must be registered with the county government. A declaration of use should be accompanied with a plat map, showing the exact location of the burial place.
Obviously, all of this paperwork takes time. It should be completed well in advance of any anticipated death and burial.
Can We Care for the Body at Home?
Despite what many people believe, only seven states require the involvement of a funeral director in the death process Connecticut, Illinois, Indiana, Louisiana, Michigan, Nebraska and New York. If a person dies at home, the body can be prepared at home, the service held at home, and (in the circumstances listed above) the body buried at home. Proper death certificates and other documents must be filed.
Many states that do require a funeral director will allow the director to come to the home to validate the death and prepare the death certificate. If a person dies at the hospital, the body usually can be brought home for preparation and a funeral service prior to burial. You may need a permit to transport.
more...
http://blogs.lawyers.com/2013/09/are-green-burials-legal/
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)To save my loved ones mucho money...sorry Neil
IF I had an option to be buried in same cardboard box to be feed for those who feed on dead bodies..I would be fine with that.
I like the idea of the body farm..but I am old, will they want me?
I recall my mother chanting "the worms crawl in, the worms crawl out, they crawl all over your nose and mouth"
Martin Eden
(12,874 posts)Neil deGrasse Tyson groks!!!
csziggy
(34,136 posts)So for most people, cremation is a more cost effective option. But the green burial movement is growing:
http://www.greenburials.org/
http://greenburialcouncil.org/
http://www.cemeterygroup.org/media/GreenCemeteries.pdf
I need to check on the laws here since I would like to be buried on our farm and do not want to be embalmed. I don't want my grave marked except maybe for a tree planted on it. Or maybe don't even be buried; I told my husband, just wrap a sheet around my body and leave it in the woods - but then he'd probably have problems with the cops.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,590 posts)instead of a traditional one which might be sealed. Here's a company that markets them: http://www.eeternity.com/
csziggy
(34,136 posts)I'm not going to have a service - that has been specified already in my final wishes. I see no reason to encase my body in any container. I want the worms and bugs to have easy access.
Right now my instructions are to be cremated because it was simpler but I plan to investigate how to have a green burial on our own property. I can always change those plans if we ever sell the place but if possible, I plan to live out my life here and die here.
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)i hope for more of these places
Warpy
(111,319 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)So we tanned his hide when he died, Clyde, and that's it hangin' on the shed.
All together now...!"
TURN UP THE VOLUME!!!
Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)I woke up this morning
Put on my slippers
Walked in the kitchen and died
And oh what a feelin
When my soul went through the ceiling
And on up to heaven I did ride.
When I got there they did say
"John, it happened this 'a way:
You slipped upon the floor and hit your head!
And all the angels say, just before you passed away,
These were the very last words that you said:
Chorus:
Please don't bury me down in the cold cold ground!
I'd rather have them cut me up and pass me all around!
Throw my brain in a hurricane,
The blind can have my eyes,
And the deaf can take both a' my ears if they don't mind the size!
Give my stomach to Milwaukee if they run out of beer,
Put my socks in a cedar box - just get 'em outta here!
Venus de Milo can have my arms -
Look out, I've got your nose!
Sell my heart to the junk man,
And give my love to Rose!
(chorus)
Give my feet to the footloose,
Careless fancy free.
Give my knees to the needy -
Don't pull that stuff on me!
Hand me down my walkin' cane;
It's a sin to tell a lie.
Send my mouth way down south
And kiss my ass goodbye!
(chorus)
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)John Prine is good stuff.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)Many states require embalming and a concrete vault to inter a body. The reason for this is to prevent the spread of disease in case of flooding or other conditions that can get corpse material into waterways.
You can return the ashes to the earth and they won't be carrying strains of bacteria or other infectious diseases.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)When is embalming required?
Embalming is rarely required by law. In fact, the Federal Trade Commission and many state regulators require that funeral directors inform consumers that embalming is not required except in certain special cases. Embalming is mandated when a body crosses state lines from Alabama and Alaska. Five other statesCalifornia, Idaho, Kansas, Minnesota and New Jerseyrequire embalming when the body leaves those states by common carrier (airplane or train).
LiberalArkie
(15,727 posts)natural about that.If you could be buried without embalming that would be different.
valerief
(53,235 posts)Faryn Balyncd
(5,125 posts)... could be pushing up home grown tomatoes." - Guy Clark
Home Grown Tomatoes
- Guy Clark
Well, there ain't nothin' in the world that I like better
Than bacon and lettuce and homegrown tomatoes
Up in the mornin', out in the garden
Get you a ripe one, hey, don't get a hard one
Plant 'em in the spring, eat 'em in the summer
All winter with out 'em's a culinary bummer
I forget all about the sweatin' and diggin'
Everytime I go out and pick me a big one
Homegrown tomatoes, homegrown tomatoes
What'd life be without homegrown tomatoes
Only two things that money can't buy
And that's true love and homegrown tomatoes
Now you can go out to eat and that's for sure
But it's nothin' a homegrown tomato won't cure
Put 'em in a salad, put 'em in a stew
You make your very own tomato juice
You can eat 'em with eggs, eat 'em with gravy
Eat 'em with beans, pinto or navy
Put 'em on the side, put 'em in the middle
Put a homegrown tomato on a hotcake griddle
Homegrown tomatoes, homegrown tomatoes
What'd life be without homegrown tomatoes
Only two things that money can't buy
And that's true love and homegrown tomatoes
If I's to change this life I lead
I'd be Johnny Tomato Seed
'Cause I know what this country needs
Homegrown tomatoes in every yard you see, yeah
When I die, don't bury me
In a box in a cemetary
Out in the garden would be much better
And I could be pushin' up homegrown tomatoes
Homegrown tomatoes, homegrown tomatoes
What'd life be without homegrown tomatoes
Only two things that money can't buy
And that's true love and homegrown tomatoes
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)You can't bury a body in a state where there will happen.
As noted above, most states require the body to be pumped full of chemicals before burial.
progressoid
(49,992 posts)...
Can I Bury Grandpa in the Back Yard?
Burial on private land is allowed in most counties in the United States, as long as certain requirements are met. The site must meet distance from municipality requirements and have a minimum number of acres. A family burial plot or cemetery must be registered with the county government. A declaration of use should be accompanied with a plat map, showing the exact location of the burial place.
Obviously, all of this paperwork takes time. It should be completed well in advance of any anticipated death and burial.
Can We Care for the Body at Home?
Despite what many people believe, only seven states require the involvement of a funeral director in the death process Connecticut, Illinois, Indiana, Louisiana, Michigan, Nebraska and New York. If a person dies at home, the body can be prepared at home, the service held at home, and (in the circumstances listed above) the body buried at home. Proper death certificates and other documents must be filed.
Many states that do require a funeral director will allow the director to come to the home to validate the death and prepare the death certificate. If a person dies at the hospital, the body usually can be brought home for preparation and a funeral service prior to burial. You may need a permit to transport.
more...
http://blogs.lawyers.com/2013/09/are-green-burials-legal/
dgibby
(9,474 posts)that meets all his requirements. I'm guessing other states probably have similar facilities. I have no problem with cremation as long as the ashes are spread-they're great for the garden.
lastlib
(23,266 posts)it's just a theory, I don't think we should teach it in schools......................oh, wait--that's another subject..................(never mind!)
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)it's the only way I can hope to see the future. I want to see what science discovers in the NEXT 500 years of the revolution, considering how much we learned from copernicus to now.
Of course I'm only 34 and have good longevity genes, so by the time I'm old enough (outside of getting hit by a bus or something) hopefully they'll have made improvements to the freezing process.
qazplm
(3,626 posts)freeze me, and play the lottery ticket that somehow I get revived later.
The odds are infinitesimal, but that's still better than zero.
liberaltrucker
(9,130 posts)airplaneman
(1,240 posts)haikugal
(6,476 posts)hunter
(38,322 posts)If you listen to the experts, the process sounds like a pain in the neck. No meat! No bread! No oils! No paper! Make a nice set of boxes! Put hardware cloth and motion detectors in to control rats! Get the C/N ratio right! Ensure a thermophilic reaction! Ask your neighbors first! Keep it moist but not wet! Check with local authorities! Turn it monthly weekly daily hourly!
Yikes... no wonder we keep throwing banana peels in the trash.
Its time to take a deep breath and re-think composting...
--more--
http://www.motherearthnews.com/organic-gardening/compost-myths-zbcz1311.aspx
But wouldn't it be wonderful if every community had a memorial forest?
Tear down and recycle some shopping center and parking lot, a golf course or two, start putting people who have passed away in holes with trees planted on top of them.
A hundred year cycle ought to do the trick; new corpses and new trees blended in with the old.
It could be a very beautiful place.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)eppur_se_muova
(36,280 posts)Yes, I would be happy with seeing my corpse fed to someone's pets in place of livestock by-products. Compost the scraps, if there are any.
Renew Deal
(81,869 posts)I'm pretty sure that will not sell well at Petco.
Are humans considered free range?
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Whatever comes next, (be it nothing or something) I will have no need of my flesh.
callous taoboy
(4,585 posts)A must - see if you want to go natural after death and save your loved ones a pile of cash in the process.
missingthebigdog
(1,233 posts)This one isn't it- but is in the same general vein:
http://www.people.com/article/urban-death-project-human-composting
Sounds good to me.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)We have land but we also have a creek. We couldn't bury him within several hundred feet of the watershed so it meant we couldn't bury him. I did research and decided to compost him. Next spring it will be 2 ½ years and we'll take apart the compost pile and gather his bones. I'll choose a nice spot in the pasture and we'll lay his bones to rest.
I wouldn't have a problem with doing that for myself if my son could deal. Otherwise I guess as Neil says cremation is out and I'll look for something green...here on the place. If possible. No casket, a small Dixieland parade would be nice but really not necessary. No church. No prayers. Just fond memories, I hope.
cstanleytech
(26,312 posts)Also in time if the sun expands far enough out the earth will become dust yet again and then later on billions upon billions of years later it will become something else.
JesterCS
(1,827 posts)To cause a nice thunderstorm down the line. Lol