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Science - Religion Einstein's thoughts (Original Post) SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 OP
Spacetime is the healing of conscious living, and of us. trotsky Aug 2015 #1
What a bunch of rubbish. longship Aug 2015 #3
Dude, can I, like, join your ashram? Silent3 Aug 2015 #4
yep libodem Aug 2015 #7
took you a lot of words to say... SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #5
Consciousness consists of molecular structures of quantum energy. trotsky Aug 2015 #22
thanks lev SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #23
The future will be an endless refining of life. trotsky Aug 2015 #24
wow SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #25
The totality is calling to you via ultra-sentient particles. Can you hear it? trotsky Aug 2015 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #28
Gonna echo Warren's post! (nt) LostOne4Ever Aug 2015 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #29
A fellow traveler! trotsky Aug 2015 #31
silly silly silly - try reality SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #35
"Try reality"? Try it yourself, if you ever make it there. mr blur Aug 2015 #36
over your head so you lash out? SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #43
You must take a stand against dogma. trotsky Aug 2015 #56
I am taking a stand against dogma and ... SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #57
It can be difficult to know where to begin. trotsky Aug 2015 #58
For you, I am sure that you have spoken a deep truth. SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #59
You and I are travelers of the universe. trotsky Aug 2015 #60
time is all you have SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #61
Time? Every time you are tempted to react in the same old way... trotsky Aug 2015 #62
Old age is the most unexpected of all things that happen to a man. Leon Trotsky SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #63
I am sorry but my username has nothing to do with ol' Leon. trotsky Aug 2015 #64
LOL - I do not serve turkey at thanksgiving SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #65
Have you found your story? trotsky Aug 2015 #66
LOL SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #67
Life gives you plenty of time to do whatever you want to do if you stay in the present moment. trotsky Aug 2015 #68
LOL SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #69
Joy is the driver of joy. trotsky Sep 2015 #70
Without a link, or context, one cannot know what your post is about. longship Aug 2015 #2
it is simple SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #6
Yup! Often. And he often spoke of such matters. longship Aug 2015 #8
you said in 20 words what took Einstein 20 pages to express SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #9
Alas, he never unified the theories. longship Aug 2015 #10
miss to point often SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #11
Einstein was a non-believer, so maybe you missed the point. longship Aug 2015 #12
again - you are off in your own world - it looks to me like a place to avoid SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #13
Because you are portraying an Einstein that did not exist. longship Aug 2015 #14
you seem to be having trouble reading the words I post SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #15
Well, since religion is in your OP's title, I presumed that was your topic. longship Aug 2015 #16
There are 4 essays in a collection of Eistein's writings - It is a book SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #17
Not really. longship Aug 2015 #18
Check out Ideas and Opinions SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #19
You still have nothing but references. longship Aug 2015 #20
Very unlikely that someone that "spent a life studying Einstein" could have missed this book SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #21
Well, where there is discontinuity, guidance cannot thrive. EvolveOrConvolve Aug 2015 #32
True identity self interacts with infinite positivity. Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #30
A good point. nt longship Aug 2015 #33
this is a post that shows clearly that you look at things as simple SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #39
What number system is fudamental to operation of quatum machanics? SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #40
keep looking SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #42
fundamental - not my word SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #46
I have seen a lot of your post and in this on I see something... SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #49
A Taoist Master from Mongolia described the harsh winters. bananas Aug 2015 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #55
and the Einstein thing SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #50
any thoughts on the essays in his book Ideas and Opinions AlbertCat Aug 2015 #27
"determinism, like solipsism, is logically possible...but we discard them as serious views" bananas Aug 2015 #51
Determinism and General Relativity bananas Aug 2015 #53
Einstein covers a lot of ground in those four essays. bananas Aug 2015 #52

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
1. Spacetime is the healing of conscious living, and of us.
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 04:42 PM
Aug 2015

We reflect, we heal, we are reborn. Energy is a constant.

Where there is stagnation, wisdom cannot thrive.

Eons from now, we adventurers will heal like never before as we are awakened by the infinite. We must learn how to lead spatial lives in the face of ego. This vision quest never ends.

You must take a stand against ego. You may be ruled by greed without realizing it. Do not let it exterminate the healing of your quest. We can no longer afford to live with bondage.

Yes, it is possible to erase the things that can disrupt us, but not without empathy on our side. The complexity of the present time seems to demand a redefining of our souls if we are going to survive. Without rebirth, one cannot self-actualize.

Ego is born in the gap where passion has been excluded. Pain is the antithesis of learning. Only a prophet of the totality may manifest this explosion of science.

The stratosphere is calling to you via sonar energy. Can you hear it? It can be difficult to know where to begin. Have you found your vision quest?

"Not every quote attributed to me on the Internet is accurate." -- Albert Einstein

longship

(40,416 posts)
3. What a bunch of rubbish.
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 04:53 PM
Aug 2015

I would hope that one could only get away with such a post by including a icon.

"Healing of conscious living"????

"Stratosphere is calling to you via sonic energy"????

Trotsky, certainly you are being sarcastic. I must presume that, as I know that you are pretty damned smart.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
22. Consciousness consists of molecular structures of quantum energy.
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 08:11 AM
Aug 2015

“Quantum” means an unfolding of the higher.
The goal of electromagnetic resonance is to plant the seeds of divinity rather than stagnation. To navigate the journey is to become one with it.

Aspiration is the truth of insight, and of us. Eons from now, we adventurers will reflect like never before as we are re-energized by the galaxy. The quantum soup is approaching a tipping point. It is a sign of things to come.

We must learn how to lead transformative lives in the face of yearning. We must change ourselves and fulfill others. It is time to take potential to the next level.

The complexity of the present time seems to demand an unfolding of our essences if we are going to survive. You must take a stand against yearning. You may be ruled by selfishness without realizing it. Do not let it exterminate the knowledge of your story.

Reality has always been overflowing with messengers whose third eyes are enveloped in energy. Who are we? Where on the great vision quest will we be aligned? We are at a crossroads of truth and dogma.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
24. The future will be an endless refining of life.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 08:42 AM
Aug 2015

Humankind has nothing to lose. Reality has always been electrified with entities whose third eyes are enveloped in rejuvenation. We are at a crossroads of balance and suffering.

We are in the midst of an authentic evolving of rebirth that will give us access to the quantum matrix itself. Who are we? Where on the great story will we be recreated? Our conversations with other lifeforms have led to an awakening of supra-high-frequency consciousness.

The complexity of the present time seems to demand an awakening of our chakras if we are going to survive. You must take a stand against yearning. Only a lifeform of the grid may spark this revolution of awareness.

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
25. wow
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 12:13 PM
Aug 2015

you seem to be having some real trouble expressing yourself

go private and say what you really think - the rules of the board are hindering your desires

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
26. The totality is calling to you via ultra-sentient particles. Can you hear it?
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 01:30 PM
Aug 2015

You will soon be awakened by a power deep within yourself — a power that is mythic, amazing. Through affirmations, our chakras are engulfed in choice. As you reflect, you will enter into infinite empathy that transcends understanding.

We must learn how to lead enlightened lives in the face of discontinuity. It is a sign of things to come. We are being called to explore the quantum cycle itself as an interface between transformation and knowledge.

Response to trotsky (Reply #26)

Response to SoLeftIAmRight (Reply #25)

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
31. A fellow traveler!
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 04:47 PM
Aug 2015

Reality has always been bursting with dreamers whose lives are enveloped in spacetime.

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
35. silly silly silly - try reality
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 11:57 AM
Aug 2015

Holomorphic operations constitute particular examples of more general operations where x and y can be split apart and can be considered seperate parameters. This is achieved via the notion of complex conjugation which is a non-holomorphic operation.

Response to mr blur (Reply #36)

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
56. You must take a stand against dogma.
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 09:13 AM
Aug 2015

To traverse the myth is to become one with it. Consciousness consists of supercharged electrons of quantum energy. “Quantum” means a redefining of the heroic. The goal of ultrasonic energy is to plant the seeds of chi rather than materialism.

Humankind has nothing to lose. Reality has always been buzzing with adventurers whose souls are nurtured by potentiality. Who are we? Where on the great myth will we be re-energized?

This life is nothing short of a deepening evolution of amazing nature. Flow is the driver of non-locality. We dream, we heal, we are reborn.

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
57. I am taking a stand against dogma and ...
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 12:21 PM
Aug 2015

it is the dogma that you hold dearest.

You speak as if we are able to understand reality.

All we have are tentative deductions. Reality is not only strange than we know it is stranger than we CAN know.

Hold tight to your dogma - you seem to need it.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
58. It can be difficult to know where to begin.
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 01:07 PM
Aug 2015

Reiki may be the solution to what’s holding you back from an incredible rekindling of wellbeing. You will soon be re-energized by a power deep within yourself — a power that is sublime, cosmic. As you live, you will enter into infinite spacetime that transcends understanding.

This circuit never ends. We must learn how to lead unrestricted lives in the face of pain. Imagine a refining of what could be.

If you have never experienced this source of the creative act, it can be difficult to self-actualize. Seeker, look within and unify yourself. The solar system is calling to you via ultrasonic energy. Can you hear it?

The complexity of the present time seems to demand a flowering of our chakras if we are going to survive. Only an entity of the dreamscape may foster this canopy of self-actualization. Without beauty, one cannot vibrate.

Humankind has nothing to lose. Our conversations with other travelers have led to a refining of supra-self-aware consciousness. Throughout history, humans have been interacting with the infinite via chaos-driven reactions.

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
59. For you, I am sure that you have spoken a deep truth.
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 01:20 PM
Aug 2015

"It can be difficult to know where to begin."

These are your words and I believe you.

Nothing you have ever expressed to me indicates that you have ever explored any foundations of our understanding of knowledge.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
60. You and I are travelers of the universe.
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 01:34 PM
Aug 2015

Eons from now, we entities will live like never before as we are awakened by the quantum matrix.

Only a wanderer of the multiverse may discover this fusion of empathy. We can no longer afford to live with stagnation. You must take a stand against bondage.

As you exist, you will enter into infinite intuition that transcends understanding. You will soon be aligned by a power deep within yourself — a power that is internal, primordial.

I wish you well in your evolution and hope that you can join us on the higher planes of existence.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
62. Time? Every time you are tempted to react in the same old way...
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 01:51 PM
Aug 2015

...ask if you want to be a prisoner of the past or a pioneer of the future. The ego is a modality of unparalleled reality.

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
63. Old age is the most unexpected of all things that happen to a man. Leon Trotsky
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 02:15 PM
Aug 2015

The concrete is a combination of abstractions — not an arbitrary or subjective combination but one that corresponds to the laws of the movement of a given phenomenon.
Leon Trotsky

Man will become immeasurably stronger, wiser, and subtler; his body will become more harmonious, his movements more rhythmic, his voice more musical. The forms of life will become dynamically dramatic. The average human type will rise to the heights of an Aristotle, a Goethe, or a Marx. And above these heights, new peaks will rise.
Leon Trotsky

We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life.
Leon Trotsky

Life is not an easy matter... You cannot live through it without falling into frustration and cynicism unless you have before you a great idea which raises you above personal misery, above weakness, above all kinds of perfidy and baseness.
Leon Trotsky

As long as I breathe I hope. As long as I breathe I shall fight for the future, that radiant future, in which man, strong and beautiful, will become master of the drifting stream of his history and will direct it towards the boundless horizons of beauty, joy and happiness!
Leon Trotsky

The depth and strength of a human character are defined by its moral reserves. People reveal themselves completely only when they are thrown out of the customary conditions of their life, for only then do they have to fall back on their reserves.
Leon Trotsky

The historic ascent of humanity, taken as a whole, may be summarized as a succession of victories of consciousness over blind forces - in nature, in society, in man himself.
Leon Trotsky

If a universal mind existed, of the kind that projected itself into the scientific fancy of Laplace – a mind that could register simultaneously all the processes of nature and society, that could measure the dynamics of their motion, that could forecast the results of their inter-reactions – such a mind, of course, could a priori draw up a faultless and exhaustive economic plan. The bureaucracy often imagines that just such a mind is at its disposal; that is why it so easily frees itself from the control of the market and of Soviet democracy.
Leon Trotsky

As long as I breathe I hope. As long as I breathe I shall fight for the future, that radiant future, in which man, strong and beautiful, will become master of the drifting stream of his history and will direct it towards the boundless horizons of beauty, joy and happiness!
Leon Trotsky

The dialectics of history have already hooked him and will raise him up. He is needed by all of them; by the tired radicals, by the bureaucrats, by the Nepmen, the upstarts, by all the worms that are crawling out of the upturned soil of the manured revolution. He knows how to meet them on their own ground, he speaks their language and he knows how to lead them. He has the deserved reputation of an old revolutionist, which makes him invaluable to them as a blinder on the eyes of the country. He has will and daring. He will not hesitate to utilize them and to move them against the Party. Right now he is organising himself around the sneaks of the party, the artful dodgers.
Leon Trotsky









trotsky

(49,533 posts)
64. I am sorry but my username has nothing to do with ol' Leon.
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 04:52 PM
Aug 2015

We exist, we reflect, we are reborn. The goal of ultra-sentient particles is to plant the seeds of self-actualization rather than bondage.

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
65. LOL - I do not serve turkey at thanksgiving
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 05:02 PM
Aug 2015

i am not a crook

i did not have sex with the girl

...

LOL

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
68. Life gives you plenty of time to do whatever you want to do if you stay in the present moment.
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 05:19 PM
Aug 2015

Karma, when properly understood, is just the mechanics through which consciousness manifests.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
70. Joy is the driver of joy.
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 08:07 AM
Sep 2015

We are in the midst of a holistic ennobling of learning that will let us access the stratosphere itself. The akashic record may be the solution to what’s holding you back from a magnificent rebirth of health. You will soon be aligned by a power deep within yourself — a power that is perennial, amazing.

longship

(40,416 posts)
2. Without a link, or context, one cannot know what your post is about.
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 04:47 PM
Aug 2015

Einstein was clearly on the record that he accepted Spinoza's god. In other words, he was a pantheist, nature as god and nothing more. He used the word "god" as a mere placeholder for what is natural in the universe.

Any claim to the contrary would be false. One does not need to interpret his thoughts as he explicitly made them clear on these issues. So there should be no further debate on them.

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
6. it is simple
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 07:13 PM
Aug 2015

there are 4 essays about the relationship between science and religion in a collection of his writings - I find it strange that Einstein would spend time (at least 4 different times) writing about his views on the relationship between science and religion and you declare that there should be " no further debate on them".

Speak for Einstein often?

longship

(40,416 posts)
8. Yup! Often. And he often spoke of such matters.
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 07:20 PM
Aug 2015

And Einstein almost always invoked Spinoza's god, that his god was revealed solely by nature, that he did not believe in a personal god. God, for Einstein, was a mere placeholder for the natural world. And nothing else.

So I will stand by my, and Einstein's, opinion.

longship

(40,416 posts)
10. Alas, he never unified the theories.
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 07:57 PM
Aug 2015

Unfortunately, what he won the Nobel Prize for, the photoelectric effect, led to quantum physics, a theory which he rejected. He later said, “To punish me for my contempt for authority, fate made me an authority myself.” So he never again was an authority. That was left to others.

But 1905 was his glorious year, four papers any one of which were Nobel Prize worthy, all while he was a simple Swiss patent clerk. A paper on Brownian motion which established the atomic theory, one on the photoelectric effect which established the groundwork of quantum theory, and two papers on special relativity, which took the electrodynamics of Maxwell well into a new universe. And then, in 1915, he completed the theory of relativity with a new theory of gravity.

I recommend Walter Isaacson's biography. It is a great read.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/09/books/09masl.html

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
11. miss to point often
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 08:02 PM
Aug 2015

topic

Einstein's thoughts on the relationship between science and religion

your answer - Spinoza

wow - thanks for your thought

longship

(40,416 posts)
12. Einstein was a non-believer, so maybe you missed the point.
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 08:13 PM
Aug 2015

And Spinoza is the entirely appropriate response to your query since that is precisely what Einstein spent his life responding to similar queries. That folks do not understand Spinoza's god is not mine, nor Einstein's fault. It is the person's who has not read Einstein, or has misinterpreted his words.

For Einstein, "God" was a placeholder for nature. Any other interpretation would malign his philosophy. And he explicitly said so.

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
13. again - you are off in your own world - it looks to me like a place to avoid
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 08:22 PM
Aug 2015

you seem to have not seen the essays - why are you responding?

longship

(40,416 posts)
14. Because you are portraying an Einstein that did not exist.
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 08:30 PM
Aug 2015

What kind of god do you think Einstein believed in?

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
15. you seem to be having trouble reading the words I post
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 08:42 PM
Aug 2015

you are the only person that is talking about god

but since you asked -

"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind."

I am not interested in this - why are you?

I am looking for peoples thoughts on the essays

longship

(40,416 posts)
16. Well, since religion is in your OP's title, I presumed that was your topic.
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 08:55 PM
Aug 2015

My bad... Or your bad title. Maybe that your post has no content other than uncited possibly obscure references.

One cannot tell what your intent is without any content or reference. And your responses do not reveal what your post is about. So maybe my confusion might be understandable.

Possibly some content or context about these essays would be helpful. Or does one have to guess about them?

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
17. There are 4 essays in a collection of Eistein's writings - It is a book
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 09:03 PM
Aug 2015

the title - Ideas and Opinions

the 4 are

Religion and Science
The Religious Spirit of Science
Science and Religion
Religion and Science: Irreconcilable?

What are your thoughts about the ideas expressed in the essays?

Does this help?

longship

(40,416 posts)
18. Not really.
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 09:47 PM
Aug 2015

I know pretty much about Einstein from both the physics perspective and from his religious opinions. My college education is in physics, so I understand Einstein from that perspective. And although I have not read all his writings, I do know that Einstein spent a good amount of his life fighting against people who would put words in his mouth on religion. He did not like such things very much since he was decidedly not religious in spite of the fact that invoked "god" in his writings. As I attempted to make very clear, that god was Spinoza's god, as Einstein clearly and repeatedly said.

So I will stand my posts here.

If you have a point to make, I suggest that you express it here, and not by way of some obtuse, unreferenced citations. In other words, you make no sense whatsoever unless you post clearly what you are about, which you have not yet done.

So I will bid you ado until you post something I can respond to.

My regards.


longship

(40,416 posts)
20. You still have nothing but references.
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 10:01 PM
Aug 2015

I have spent a life studying Einstein. And you have posted nothing whatsoever here. If you have an opinion I would expect that you would engage in a discussion. Apparently that isn't your intent.

Buh-bye.


My regards.

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
21. Very unlikely that someone that "spent a life studying Einstein" could have missed this book
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 10:29 PM
Aug 2015

be well

EvolveOrConvolve

(6,452 posts)
32. Well, where there is discontinuity, guidance cannot thrive.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:38 PM
Aug 2015

We are in the midst of a holistic evolving of curiosity that will enable us to access the stratosphere itself. Humankind has nothing to lose. The complexity of the present time seems to demand a condensing of our essences if we are going to survive.

Fo' shizzle.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
45. True identity self interacts with infinite positivity.
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 03:09 AM
Aug 2015

Consciousness consists of chaos-driven reactions of quantum energy. “Quantum” means a condensing of the technological. The goal of bio-feedback is to plant the seeds of karma rather than greed.
Only an entity of the solar system may foster this quantum shift of interconnectedness.

Have you found your quest? How should you navigate this heroic cosmos? It can be difficult to know where to begin.

You will soon be recreated by a power deep within yourself — a power that is dynamic, sentient. Homeopathy may be the solution to what’s holding you back from an enormous harmonizing of coherence. Through feng shui, our hopes are opened by complexity.

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SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
38. this is a post that shows clearly that you look at things as simple
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 12:17 AM
Aug 2015

you discount his thoughts so easily that you are comical

there are only a few people that have revolutionized our understanding

these few are the real scientist and they think beyond most all others

if you have even a little understanding of QED you know that you do not understand it

Einstein was not "wrong" he just did not like the implications - I think he like most physicist would like an understanding that would not clash with common notions of the universe



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SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
40. What number system is fudamental to operation of quatum machanics?
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 02:31 AM
Aug 2015

put up or shut up

lets see what you know

Response to SoLeftIAmRight (Reply #41)

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
44. fundamental - not my word
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 03:07 AM
Aug 2015

Penrose - Road to Reality - p 1034 - 1035

take a look

You seem to be above average - why do you carry on like you do?

Response to SoLeftIAmRight (Reply #44)

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
47. I have seen a lot of your post and in this on I see something...
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 03:54 AM
Aug 2015

"and too often, in my experience, "religion" functions in the reverse"

While I am not by definition an igtheist it hints at way I consider any thoughts of an "illimitable superior spirit"

Here, to me it seems that, you have made a wise separation between religion and a god concept.

I like that.

In one of the essays by Einstein he longingly hints at a religion of science.

I would endeavor to find the quote if you are interested. I get from my readings of his works that he believed that (like many artist) that a proper mindset allows for better thoughts and inspiration.

This year I have been looking a lot at the work being done in understanding consciousness and feel that "tuning" our minds is important.

What I mean by tuning is multidimensional - Have you seen the "fake it till you make it) ted talk.

Standing in a strong posture for two minutes causes the measurable hormonal changes - quickly

does the woo scare you?

The mind body connection is not the primary tuning. The tuning comes from the conscious activity we engage in. Garbage in garbage out. Keeping the focus on the "proper" things consistently propels the subconsciousness to cycle the same ideas.

It seems that all the real decisions and actions and reactions come faster than the conscious mind can keep up with.

So what would one call this kind of discipline?

It seems like a religion to me. No god - just a wish for the wisdom to make it a better day.

An LOL after this and I will understand that we are so far apart that I will stay clear.

I do really think the aggressive anti god/religion is silly and non-productive. It looks little different than a young child running around the playground yelling "there is not easter bunny"

Yep - those damn imaginary numbers are cool

One last thing - have you watched a professor foaming at the mouth deriving Euler's formula?

One second last thing - are you moved by the mystery of these things?


Response to SoLeftIAmRight (Reply #47)

bananas

(27,509 posts)
54. A Taoist Master from Mongolia described the harsh winters.
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 11:58 AM
Aug 2015

He said it was one long party.

They knew everything would be frozen over and no real work could be done,
so they did all the cooking and baking and brewing beforehand.

When winter rolled in, there was nothing to do but drink and feast and dance and play music,
and that other thing, that one thing:




The fall cooking preparations went something like this:



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SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
48. and the Einstein thing
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 04:16 AM
Aug 2015

I do not think "wrong" is the proper characterization

He did not dispute the phenomena - he did not dispute the results

A bad analogy would be that of the difference in his work and Newtonian mechanics.

You can get to the moon with Newton but it does not hint at the nature of space/time.

Same with quantum - we can grind out results but we get no better incites into that realm.

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AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
27. any thoughts on the essays in his book Ideas and Opinions
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 03:25 PM
Aug 2015

That they might be interesting in an historical context....

How someone brought up in the 19th century, and living in the early 20th century might intellectually tackle such a subject.


But frankly, the religion vs science thing is a troublesome bore that usually produces nothing new since religion is useless where science... and even logic and reason.... is concerned.

bananas

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53. Determinism and General Relativity
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 09:58 AM
Aug 2015

From the Concluding Remarks of the Conway-Kochen Free Will Theorem:

The mere existence of free will already has consequences for the philosophy
of general relativity. That theory has been thought by some to show that “the
flow of time” is an illusion. We quote only one of many distinguished authors
to that effect: “The objective world simply is, it does not happen”(Hermann
Weyl). It is remarkable that this common opinion, often referred to as the
“block universe” view, has come about merely as a consequence of the usual
way of modeling the mathematics of general relativity as a theory about the
curvature of an eternally existing arena of space-time. In the light of the Free
Will theorem this view is mistaken, since the future of the universe is not
determined. Theodore Roosevelt’s decision to build the Panama Canal shows
that free will moves mountains, which implies, by general relativity, that even
the curvature of space is not determined. The stage is still being built while
the show goes on.

Einstein could not bring himself to believe that “God plays dice with the
world,” but perhaps we could reconcile him to the idea that“God lets the world
run free.”

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52. Einstein covers a lot of ground in those four essays.
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 09:03 AM
Aug 2015

I spent a few minutes re-reading them.
I'll try to post some hard-science responses.

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