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LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
Tue May 3, 2016, 06:20 PM May 2016

New Paradigms for SETI: Cosmic Archeology

The Centauri Dreams website has run several recent posts on the Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence that suggest new directions for the search. The most recent: Perspectives on Cosmic Archeology discusses the implications of the final factor in the Drake Equation: The lifetime of a technological civilization.



By ‘technological,’ Drake was referring to those civilizations that were capable of producing detectable signals; i.e., releasing electromagnetic radiation into space. And when we have but one civilization to work with as example, we’re hard pressed to know what this factor is. This is where Adam Frank (University of Rochester) and Woodruff Sullivan (University of Washington, Seattle) come into the picture. In a new paper in Astrobiology, the researchers argue that there are other ways of addressing the ‘lifetime’ question.

What Came Before Us

The idea is to calculate how unlikely our advanced civilization would be if none has ever arisen before us. In other words, Frank and Sullivan want to put a lower limit on the probability that technological species have, at any time in the past, evolved elsewhere than on Earth. Here’s how their paper describes this quest:

Standard astrobiological discussions of intelligent life focus on how many technological species currently exist with which we might communicate (Vakoch and Dowd, 2015). But rather than asking whether we are now alone, we ask whether we are the only technological species that has ever arisen. Such an approach allows us to set limits on what might be called the ‘‘cosmic archaeological question’’: How often in the history of the Universe has evolution ever led to a technological species, whether short- or long-lived? As we shall show, providing constraints on an answer to this question has profound philosophical and practical implications.




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The paper is short and interesting; I commend it to you. The result it produces is that human civilization can be considered unique in the cosmos only if the odds of a civilization developing are less than one part in 10 to the 22nd power. Frank and Sullivan call this the ‘pessimism’ line. If the probability of a technological civilization developing is greater than this standard, then we can assume civilizations have formed before us at some time in the universe’s history.

And yes, this is a tiny number — one in ten billion trillion. Frank says in this University of Rochester news release that he believes it implies technology-producing species have evolved before us. Even if the chances of civilization arising were one in a trillion, there would be about ten billion civilizations in the observable universe since the first one arose. As for our own galaxy, another civilization is likely to have appeared at some point in its history if the odds against it evolving on any one habitable planet are better than one in 60 billion.

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I always appreciate work that frames an issue in a new perspective, which is what Frank and Sullivan’s paper does. We can’t know whether there are other civilizations currently active in our galaxy, but it appears that the odds favor their having arisen at some time in the past. In fact, these numbers show us that we are almost certainly not the first technological civilization to have emerged. Is the galaxy filled with the ruins of civilizations that were unable to survive, or is it a place where some cultures have mastered the art of keeping themselves alive?

As a commentary on that last paragraph, I'd like to offer Randall Munroe's famed statement:



That sentiment has been shared by Prof. Steven Hawking, as well as the late Dr. Carl Sagan and Arthur C. Clarke.
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New Paradigms for SETI: Cosmic Archeology (Original Post) LongTomH May 2016 OP
Thank You For Sharing cantbeserious May 2016 #1
Anybody who hangs their scientific shingle on the Drake equation... longship May 2016 #2
We keep finding new ways of looking at the universe and every time there are surprises Fumesucker May 2016 #3

longship

(40,416 posts)
2. Anybody who hangs their scientific shingle on the Drake equation...
Tue May 3, 2016, 07:03 PM
May 2016

Not even Frank Drake does that!

The Drake equation was the topic of a symposium on life in the universe in 1961. Let's let Frank Drake speak for himself.

As I planned the meeting, I realized a few day[s] ahead of time we needed an agenda. And so I wrote down all the things you needed to know to predict how hard it's going to be to detect extraterrestrial life. And looking at them it became pretty evident that if you multiplied all these together, you got a number, N, which is the number of detectable civilizations in our galaxy. This was aimed at the radio search, and not to search for primordial or primitive life forms.

Frank Drake


So anybody using the Drake equation to argue for, or against, intelligent life in the galaxy do not understand the original purpose of the Drake equation.

That is why one must dismiss all such arguments. The Drake equation is only the agenda of a single meeting. It expresses solely the evaluation of what it would take to succeed in a radio search, given what was known in 1960.

Yet, the Drake equation still informs, but solely in discovering radio emanations. SETI has gone past that. Just ask Frank Drake, who is still active.

And don't get me started about Paul Davies. I have a bit of a problem with folks who take money from the Templeton Foundation.

This entire article is utter rubbish.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
3. We keep finding new ways of looking at the universe and every time there are surprises
Thu May 5, 2016, 12:56 AM
May 2016

Discovery of other civilizations if it happens will I suspect be some sort of serendipitous event rising out of something quite unrelated.

For instance I could see evidence showing up from the Large Synoptic Survey Telescope slated to go online in 2023, it will be a remarkably sensitive way of detecting changes in the sky over short periods of time and the entire dataset will be available online to anyone who wants to search it in whatever manner.

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