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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Sat May 14, 2016, 04:12 AM May 2016

Site in Florida Confirms Pre-Clovis Peopling of the Americas 14,550 years ago.

Radiocarbon dating of a prehistoric archeological site in Florida suggests that 14,550 years ago, hunter-gatherers, possibly accompanied by dogs, butchered or scavenged a mastodon next to a small pond. The findings, based on a four-year study of the Page-Ladson archaeological site in the Aucilla River, about 45 minutes from Tallahassee, Florida, provide a rare glimpse of the earliest human occupation in the southeastern United States, and offer clues to the timing of the disappearance of large animals like the mastodon and camel that roamed the American Southeast during the Late Pleistocene.


Additionally, the artifacts at Page-Ladson highlight that much of the earliest record of human habitation of the American Southeast lies submerged and buried in unique depositional settings like those found along the Aucilla River, which passes through Florida on its way to the Gulf of Mexico. This record can only be accessed through underwater investigation, which, if undertaken with precision and care, should reveal a rich and abundant pre-Clovis record for the American Southeast, the authors say.


Despite genetic evidence that people were traveling to the Americas before Clovis, the archaeological record of human habitation in the region between 14,000 and 15,000 years ago is sparse. However, the long-held belief that Clovis represented the first people to enter the Americas is being overturned by new evidence from early sites. The Page-Ladson site is one of just a handful of archaeological gold-mines in the Americas harboring evidence of a pre-Clovis occupation – evidence that has been challenged since researchers discovered the site in the 1980s.


So Jessi Halligan, Michael Waters and a team of experts returned to Page-Ladson in 2012 to reevaluate the archaeological evidence that lay undisturbed in the river bed. Using the latest radiocarbon dating techniques, the researchers confirmed the ages of the stone artifacts and mastodon remains to about 14,550 years ago. The artifacts tell the story of what was likely the butchering or scavenging of a mastodon next to a pond in a bedrock sinkhole within the Aucilla River. Evidence from Page-Ladson, along with that from other sites like Monte Verde in Chile, shows that people were living in both hemispheres of the Americas at least 14,550 years ago and confirms genetic predictions for the timing of the arrival of humans into the Americas. Moreover, microscopic tracking of Sporormiella (a fungus often found on animal dung) in sediments at the site, along with other evidence from Page-Ladson sediment samples, indicate that hunter-gatherers along the Gulf Coastal Plain in North America likely coexisted with and used large animals for at least 2,000 years before these animals became extinct around 12,600 years ago.

http://popular-archaeology.com/issue/spring-2016/article/prehistoric-site-in-florida-confirms-pre-clovis-peopling-of-the-americas

http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/2/5/e1600375







Now here's an interesting side story to this


Vero man


Vero man refers to a set of fossilized human bones found near Vero (now Vero Beach), Florida, USA in 1915 and 1916. The human bones were found in association with those of Pleistocene animals. The question of whether humans were present in Florida (or anywhere in the Americas) during the Pleistocene was controversial at the time, and most archaeologists did not accept that the Vero fossils were that old. Recent studies show that the Vero human bones are from the Pleistocene, and are the largest collection of human remains from the Pleistocene found in North America.


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The human bones excavated by Sellards were passed around various institutions for study. By the time carbon-14 dating of fossils became possible, some 35 years after the discovery of Vero man, some of the bones had been lost, and others had been rendered unusable for such testing due to the way they had been preserved with chemicals.[4]............ all of this was done at and by the Smithsonian..


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vero_man


I think this find lend credence to European continent migration, even though small, to the new world. But the major migration came from the Siberian/Alaskan corridor.





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Site in Florida Confirms Pre-Clovis Peopling of the Americas 14,550 years ago. (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter May 2016 OP
Fascinating, Ichingcarpenter! Enthusiast May 2016 #1
I know about that site Ichingcarpenter May 2016 #3
Wow! Thanks for that! Enthusiast May 2016 #4
My Cherokee mentor told me that yellerpup May 2016 #2
The sea level was 300 feet lower than today. Sea distances between land masses were much less. Enthusiast May 2016 #5
This is such exciting evidence yellerpup May 2016 #7
So cool.. I kayak that river fairly frequently. TBA May 2016 #6
I would be afraid of the gators! I want to try a kayak sometime, in gator free Ohio. Enthusiast May 2016 #11
great post! Mbrow May 2016 #8
I think a maritime culture is much older than we think Ichingcarpenter May 2016 #9
Sounds like a good read. Highly rated. Enthusiast May 2016 #10

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
3. I know about that site
Sat May 14, 2016, 07:07 AM
May 2016

My thoughts are that most if not all of these early east coast sites and settlements, inhabitants were wiped out as were the mega fauna that existed at the same time by some catastrophic event. Younger Dryas impact hypothesis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas_impact_hypothesis

which can be witnessed in the the Carolina Bays in N & S Carolina




North Carolina




South Carolina


Also notice the orientation of these depressions geographically which are like blood spatters in a murder scene.



I doubt anything on the east coast of North America could have survived this

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
5. The sea level was 300 feet lower than today. Sea distances between land masses were much less.
Sat May 14, 2016, 07:25 AM
May 2016

Tasmania was connected to Australia, for example. There was that Beringia dry land. Much of what is now the North Sea was dry land.

TBA

(825 posts)
6. So cool.. I kayak that river fairly frequently.
Sat May 14, 2016, 07:32 AM
May 2016

So many artifacts have been found ther and in its sister river the Wacissa. Both rivers are just gorgeous.

Mbrow

(1,090 posts)
8. great post!
Sat May 14, 2016, 07:46 AM
May 2016

I just re-read 1491 by Mann, he brings up a lot of the new thoughts about The pre Invasion native cultures and the new evidence for pushing back the dates on the first peoples including the possibility of people just boating to the west coast 20 to 30 thousand years ago.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
9. I think a maritime culture is much older than we think
Sat May 14, 2016, 07:58 AM
May 2016

A rock carving in Azerbaijan dating from ~10,000 BCE shows a reed boat manned by about 20 paddlers. Caspian Sea area

But since wooden or reed boats hardly last more than 20 years without great maintenance I expect we will never find a relic that is very old.






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