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Buckeye_Democrat

(14,855 posts)
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 10:34 PM Jan 2017

'Substantial evidence' the universe is a hologram

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/substantial-evidence-universe-hologram-1603852

Scientists have found 'evidence' that the universe is a hologram. By looking at the universe just after the Big Bang, researchers claim to have discovered the first observational evidence of holographic cosmology – where the universe is contained to a 2D surface, and we only perceive our 3D world.

The idea for a holographic universe is not new. First suggested in the 1990s, it can be likened to characters on a TV show – they do not know their 3D world exists only on a 2D screen. In the same way, our 3D universe may just be an illusion – an illusion that can be tested.

In a holographic universe, all of the information in the universe is contained into 2D packages trillions of times smaller than an atom. Advanced telescopes and sensory equipment is now making it possible for scientists to detect hidden data revealing the "white noise" left over from the moment just after the universe was created (cosmic microwave background, or CMB).

At present there are inconsistencies between quantum physics and Einstein's theory of gravity. If the universe was a hologram, these would be solved.

Publishing their study in the journal Physical Review Letters, the researchers, from the UK, Canada and Italy, looked at the CMB to make complex comparisons between networks of features in Planck data and quantum field theory. Their findings showed some simple quantum theories could explain cosmological observations of the early universe – more so that more traditional theories like cosmic inflation could.

"Observations can be used to exclude some quantum field theory (QFT) models, while we also find models satisfying all phenomenological constraints," the researchers wrote. "We showed that holographic models based on three-dimensional perturbative QFT are capable of explaining the CMB data and are competitive to ?CDM model (the standard model of Big Bang cosmology)."

Study author Kostas Skenderis, from the University of Southampton, said: "Imagine that everything you see, feel and hear in three dimensions (and your perception of time) in fact emanates from a flat two-dimensional field. The idea is similar to that of ordinary holograms where a three-dimensional image is encoded in a two-dimensional surface, such as in the hologram on a credit card. However, this time, the entire universe is encoded!

"Holography is a huge leap forward in the way we think about the structure and creation of the universe. Einstein's theory of general relativity explains almost everything large scale in the universe very well, but starts to unravel when examining its origins and mechanisms at quantum level.

"Scientists have been working for decades to combine Einstein's theory of gravity and quantum theory. Some believe the concept of a holographic universe has the potential to reconcile the two. I hope our research takes us another step towards this."

Lead author Niayesh Afshordi, from the University of Waterloo, said: "We are proposing using this holographic universe, which is a very different model of the Big Bang than the popularly accepted one that relies on gravity and inflation. Each of these models makes distinct predictions that we can test as we refine our data and improve our theoretical understanding - all within the next five years."


Here's the abstract from Physical Review Letters:
http://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.118.041301
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'Substantial evidence' the universe is a hologram (Original Post) Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 OP
So who made the hologram? The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2017 #1
mastercard? unblock Jan 2017 #2
The Rebellion shenmue Jan 2017 #3
Apparently a narcissist with a sense of humor. gordianot Jan 2017 #4
A black hole? Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #5
Yep. You are correct. n/t VWolf Jan 2017 #9
Leonard Susskind talks about the idea here... Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #7
Interesting. Snackshack Jan 2017 #6
OKAY, CAN WE PLEASE CHANGE THE CHANNEL THEN? Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #8
Interesting, yes, but... FiveGoodMen Jan 2017 #10
Ironically Quackers Jan 2017 #11
As I understand it, nobody knows how the information on... Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #12
mapping to higher-d in itself is non-unique. BadgerKid Feb 2017 #13
The Cosmic Microwave Background was born 380,000 years after the Big Bang. DetlefK Feb 2017 #14
Same problem for the ΛCDM model. Buckeye_Democrat Feb 2017 #16
Last time I explored this hole in the ground I didn't come up for a long time. hunter Feb 2017 #15

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,855 posts)
5. A black hole?
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 10:53 PM
Jan 2017


I think the holographic universe conjecture might've started because it was shown that all of the information within a black hole can be contained on its 2-D horizon. The entropy of a black hole is also proportional to its 2-D surface area.

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
6. Interesting.
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 10:53 PM
Jan 2017

Regardless 2D or 3D...

If you step outside right now and look West the crescent Moon with a very big and bright Venus above it and the faint red dot of Mars a little above Venus is a beautiful sight.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,855 posts)
12. As I understand it, nobody knows how the information on...
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 01:49 PM
Jan 2017

a 2-D outer surface gets mapped to the 3-D interior... assuming it even happens!

It's clearly not proposing that the 3-D interior of our universe would be like a photographic hologram that isn't tangible.

It appears to be a mathematical construct that was proposed after examining principles related to black holes and recognizing it could be applied to the everything else in the universe as well. The holographic model wasn't pulled out of thin air, but was derived from efforts to avoid contradictions of basic principles of physics in regard to black holes.

How it works, assuming it's an accurate model for everything, isn't well understood. The holographic model makes some different predictions, and that's what is being checked at this point.

For example, there's subtle differences in predictions related to something called cosmic inflation. That's something that supposedly happened in the very early universe that helps explain the almost uniform temperature of the cosmic microwave background radiation. It's a mathematical model that was created to explain the CMB observations. In the holographic model, cosmic inflation is a natural consequence but the effects should be slightly different in the CMB.

Something else that's interesting is that Einstein's General Relativity equations can be derived by first creating a holographic model based on quantum theory! Is it the long-sought merger between quantum theory and relativity? That's sometimes called quantum gravity.

Here's a talk by Tom Banks that delves into it without a bunch of math (skip to about the 45-minute mark for some of the derivations based on the model):



BadgerKid

(4,553 posts)
13. mapping to higher-d in itself is non-unique.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 06:25 AM
Feb 2017

Concepts like Gauss' Law and center of mass don't admit an exact distribution of matter. Maybe moments of distributions (probabilities?) could provide some information, which might shed light (sorry for the pun) on a question like why there are regions of dark matter. Just a guess.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
14. The Cosmic Microwave Background was born 380,000 years after the Big Bang.
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 06:22 AM
Feb 2017

When the matter-density in the universe dropped so low that photons could finally travel a significant distance without immediately running into another particle. We already had atoms at that point.
The CMB is an image what the universe looked like at that point... Hundreds of thousands of years after the Big Bang.

The Cosmic Neutrino Background was created a few seconds after the Big Bang, when the energy-density dropped so low that neutrinos could finally travel a significant distance without immediately running into another particle. We already had Quarks, Gluons and Leptons at that point.
If we could measure that more precisely, we could get an image of what the universe looked like at that point... Seconds after the Big Bang.

And even seconds after the Big Bang is already way, way, way, way too late to measure anything about the particle-physics right during the Big Bang.
The guys in the paper want to go to a time where even Quarks, Gluons and Leptons didn't exist yet.



Here's their conclusion:
We showed that holographic models based on three-dimensional perturbative QFT are capable of explaining the CMB data and are competitive to the ?CDM model. However, at very low multipoles (roughly l<30), the perturbative expansion breaks down, and in this regime the prediction of the theory cannot be trusted.

Translation:
The theory can predict the fine details of the CMB but not the larger general shape.

hunter

(38,317 posts)
15. Last time I explored this hole in the ground I didn't come up for a long time.
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 03:24 PM
Feb 2017

I climbed out and walked away thinking a two dimensional holographic universe was silly.

Humans often go wrong in our theorizing about the universe because of the way we experience time. Personally, I don't believe in time; time itself is an aspect of energy; the perception of time was a useful shortcut in the evolution of life. If you want to see how that might be, consider the odds of this: Every one of your ancestors from the beginning of life on earth managed to survive and reproduce. And here you are. Your time is now. (And hell no, I'm not being metaphysical here. I'm quite comfortable with "perception" as a physical process. A chemical process. A yeast cell can have a basic sort of perception.)

From the imaginary perspective of a photon there is no time. And then you've got Einstein's infamous equation E=mc2. That doesn't mean mass can be turned into energy, or vice versa, it means mass *is* energy and energy *is* mass.

With that mental model I see there's only one speed in the universe, and that is the speed of light. Everything else is an interference pattern written upon that light.

That's how you end up with a holographic universe. It's not two dimensions and then this funny third dimension time. It's three identical dimensions. If, mathematically, you lock one of these dimensions down and transform the entire 3D universe across the other two dimensions, then you are not seeing the entire picture.

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