Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 06:23 PM Apr 2017

Surprise discovery of Europe's first cave fish


April 3, 2017



A male cave loach of 8.5 cm body length. Credit: Jasminca Behrmann-Godel


Researchers reporting in Current Biology on April 3 have discovered the first European cave fish. A hobby cave diver first sighted the fish, a loach in the genus Barbatula, living in a hard-to-reach, underground water system in South Germany.

"The cave fish was found surprisingly far in the north in Southern Germany," says Jasminca Behrmann-Godel of Germany's University of Konstanz. "This is spectacular as it was believed before that the Pleistocene glaciations had prevented fish from colonizing subterranean habitats so far north."

Their genetic studies of the fish together with knowledge on the geological history of the region suggest that the cave loach arose recently, within the last 20,000 years.

"It was only when the glaciers retreated that the system first became a suitable habitat for fish," says Arne Nolte from the University of Oldenburg/Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Biology, Plön.


Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2017-04-discovery-europe-cave-fish.html#jCp
11 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
11. Its probably because its hard to imagine a fish species being able to get into a cave
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 10:54 PM
Apr 2017

system in the first place without a visible path for them to make the journey during an ice age with the extreme cold and ice that must have been around in the area at the time let alone survive there.

alfredo

(60,074 posts)
2. We have blind cave fish in Ky.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 05:13 PM
Apr 2017

This fish found in Mammoth Cave appears to have been underground long enough to lose its eyes.


alfredo

(60,074 posts)
4. I think we have blind salamanders, crayfish, and crickets.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 08:01 PM
Apr 2017

I found ants in a cave I was exploring. The crayfish lives up to seventy years.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
5. And eyeless shrimp too.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 06:12 AM
Apr 2017

I've actually seen eyeless crayfish - I think it was in Horse Cave. We love exploring the local caves.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
7. Yep - they're not for everyone though.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 11:57 PM
Apr 2017

There's one here on the property that leads to an underground river - you have to lower yourself into it with a rope and then crawl on your belly to explore the deeper recesses. It's full of all kinds of neat critters but so far I haven't seen any new species.

alfredo

(60,074 posts)
8. Sullivan's cave required lowering yourself down a karst window and had several keyholes to crawl.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 10:38 AM
Apr 2017

Squire Boone had a long tube ending in a three step waterfall one had to climb to gain access to the cave. Ladders were used to access the cave. One of it's features was travertine formations. It's commercial now.




beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
9. That's quite beautiful. I'm not a huge fan of most commercial caves but some are spectacular.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 07:28 PM
Apr 2017

A lot people think caves are just dark damp holes in the earth - they have no idea how many are home to fragile and unique ecosystems.

alfredo

(60,074 posts)
10. I love wild caves. I might have to revisit Squire Boone Cave. to see the reconstruction of his mill
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 09:44 PM
Apr 2017

I remember the millstone nearby the ruins of his mill. I wonder if his brother Daniel ever visited there and explored the cave?

Latest Discussions»Culture Forums»Science»Surprise discovery of Eur...