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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 10:56 AM Apr 2012

Baboons recognise words on a screen

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/17676129


The baboons received a treat for correctly identifying words

Baboons can recognise four-letter words on a computer screen, according to scientists in France.

Researchers found the monkeys could tell the difference between actual words and nonsense letter combinations.

After being trained, the baboons were able to make this distinction, despite not being capable of reading.

The results suggest the ability to recognise words could more closely relate to object identification than linguistic skill.
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Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
8. Yup, nothing to do with "understanding language".
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 08:05 PM
Apr 2012

Most scientists roll their eyes at this stuff, for good reason. There has been a well-needed backlash in recent years against the "animals learning language" thing, even among ape researchers.

Jim__

(14,076 posts)
14. From the article, I get the impression that recognizing written words is at least one of the ...
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 01:54 PM
Apr 2012

... things they are interested in.

Is it primarily a language skill? Or is it something else?

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The results suggest the ability to recognise words could more closely relate to object identification than linguistic skill.

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"Cognitive abilities vary among humans too, and it is not so surprising that differences emerge between the individual [baboons]," said Dr Fagot.

Dr Grainger told BBC Nature that recognising letter sequences - previously considered a fundamental "building block" of language - could be related to a more simple skill.

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eqfan592

(5,963 posts)
3. Ya know, the first time I read that, I didn't even notice what ya did there.
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 11:30 AM
Apr 2012

Gotta love that aspect of the human mind!

It would be interesting to see if they could ID words that were jumbled up like that as well, or if they only recognize them in a specific order.

 

tama

(9,137 posts)
10. Not easily at all
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 02:40 AM
Apr 2012

The tirck is to keep frist and lsat letetrs in palce and garble the letters between.

xocet

(3,871 posts)
11. Interesting, I had not noticed that the first and last letters were in their proper places....
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 11:48 AM
Apr 2012

I am curious about your reading of my posting. Would you please answer a couple of questions?

Did leaving the initial capitals and the punctuation marks in the text make a difference to your reading of the post? Also, which of the words were the most difficult to decipher? Lastly, do you know - by chance - of any studies on the topic of how much garbling is sufficient to destroy context?

Thanks for your earlier reply and for any answers that you have time to give.

tabatha

(18,795 posts)
4. Is it that the baboons are merely recognizing shapes without meaning.
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 11:57 AM
Apr 2012

Because then they would not be able to rearrange the letters in their minds to assign meaning.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
9. Animals can be trained via Skinnerian conditioning? Who knew???
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 08:06 PM
Apr 2012

I hate this "animals learning language" nonsense.

Silent3

(15,212 posts)
12. They're demonstrating more sophisticated recognition...
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 01:09 PM
Apr 2012

...than reflexively responding to a shape, like figuring out, when confronted with a novel word, what's likely to be a real word from their experience with other real words.

Are you generally skeptical about animal language skills, and if so, why? I think some impressive results have come out of not only primate research, but even work with parrots.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
13. Read the recently published book "Becoming Chimpanzee".
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 01:29 PM
Apr 2012

The "apes learning languages" thing has been way over-hyped. They can learn vocabulary by rote, but syntax is beyond them.

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