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Judi Lynn

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 12:50 AM Oct 2018

Might Astronauts Dive In And Out Of A Lunar Cave Habitat Through A Liquid Airlock?


By Robert Walker | October 8th 2018 06:45 PM

This is a rather fun idea originally suggested in the Moon Miner's Manifest Classics - 1987-1988 (see page 31). It's not so likely in the early stages, because of the large amounts of water needed to construct it, but it may perhaps be of great value at a later stage, especially for bases that have a lot of traffic in and out. If the liquid is water, it has to be over sixty meters deep (62.3 meters), to equalize the pressure inside and outside the habitat. The depth can be much less, if it is a denser fluid. You then don't need any doors but can just dive through it and come out on the surface of the Moon.

It's like the way that In a barometer, the weight of the mercury counterbalances the pressure of the atmosphere outiside, with a vacuum above the mercury. It's like an "inside out" barometer with the vacuum on the outside. The weight of the water in the column counteracts the pressure of the air in the habitat.

You might think that as for a barometer, mercury is the best fluid of all, because of its high density, at least, if it weren't for its toxicity. Especially for a surface base, the lower column height the better. Mercury would give a column height of only 76 centimeters on Earth, so on the Moon, (9.807/1.622)×0.76 = 4.6 meters. Should we look for the densist liquid we could send to the Moon?

Well, if supplied from Earth, the actual mass of the mercury would be the same as the mass of water. So in that sense, a denser fluid is no saving at all. If you can source the liquid in situ it's also a considerable saving, so if there is ice on the Moon that might well swing it in favour of water rather than some denser liquid from Earth. As for the column height, that's less of a consideration if the base is constructed inside a lunar cave, as many lava tube caves are likely to be at least 60 meters below the surface of the Moon. It might be useful to be able to float up 60 meters to the surface. A denser fluid would help with a surface base.

More:
https://www.science20.com/robert_walker/might_astronauts_dive_in_and_out_of_a_lunar_cave_habitat_through_a_liquid_airlock-234621
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Might Astronauts Dive In And Out Of A Lunar Cave Habitat Through A Liquid Airlock? (Original Post) Judi Lynn Oct 2018 OP
Small problem w/ "don't need any doors but can just dive through it and come out on the surface..." RockRaven Oct 2018 #1
We already have the technology for liquid airlocks: "ferrofluidic vacuum seals" DetlefK Oct 2018 #2

RockRaven

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1. Small problem w/ "don't need any doors but can just dive through it and come out on the surface..."
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:03 AM
Oct 2018

[based on the OP blurb, I didn't click through]

That means the outer surface is just exposed to the lunar surface atmosphere...

Which means it can evaporate. Which it will do very fast. Especially if in the sunlight. Because there is very, very, very low atmospheric pressure. How are these moon people going to replenish the lost water? How could they possibly keep pace with the losses?

And then there's the issue of it freezing (if it is in the shade), which makes it not so easy to dive through.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
2. We already have the technology for liquid airlocks: "ferrofluidic vacuum seals"
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 03:53 AM
Oct 2018


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrofluidic_seal

A magnetic liquid is suspended between two magnetic poles (opposite walls). They are used nowadays to seal mechanisms (e.g. transfer-rods) that connect the air-filled outside to the air-less inside of an "ultra-high vacuum" vessel.

You can see that in the picture above: The right side has vacuum, the left side has air, and the rod goes through the liquid (linear movement + rotation), while the liquid is held in place by magnets. And the liquid is vacuum-proof.



Scale that up and we have a liquid membrane that separates the inside of the lunar colony from the vaccum of space, held in place by massive magnets in the door-frame.
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