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Judi Lynn

(160,588 posts)
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 09:03 PM Nov 2018

The Milky Way Ate One of Its Neighbors 10 Billion Years Ago

Star data shows we gobbled up a galaxy called Gaia-Enceladus about 1/4 the size of the Milky Way, leaving behind telltale signs of the merger



The Milky Way ( NASA/JPL-Caltech/R. Hurt (SSC/Caltech) )
By Jason Daley
smithsonian.com
November 2, 2018 1:45PM


New research suggests about 10 billion years ago the Milky Way consumed a smaller galaxy, and the remnants of that cosmic lunch are still swirling around in the Milky Way’s belly.

The long-ago feast was discovered when researchers looked at data collected by the European Space Agency's Gaia space telescope, analyzing data on tens of thousands of stars within 33,000 light years of our own sun, reports Lisa Grossman at ScienceNews. What the data shows is that a group of about 30,000 of those stars aren’t rotating around the galactic center like they should. Instead, they appear to be moving the opposite way.

“That was the first hint,” astronomer Amina Helmi of the University of Groningen in the Netherlands tells Grossman. “When stars move the opposite way, that already tells you that they basically didn’t form in the same place as the majority of the stars in our galaxy.”

Using the Apache Point Observatory Galactic Evolution Experiment in New Mexico, Amina and her colleagues performed a follow-up, looking at the elements making up the stars. The chemical composition showed that the backward moving stars do not contain the same heavy elements as stars like our own. Instead, they appear to be much older, forming before the cycle of birth and death of massive stars spread heavier elements across the universe, according to a new study published in the journal Nature.

Read more: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/milky-way-ate-one-its-friends-10-billion-years-ago-180970696/#x6TkPr7oPYeZbsef.99

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The Milky Way Ate One of Its Neighbors 10 Billion Years Ago (Original Post) Judi Lynn Nov 2018 OP
I believe we all live in the Sagittarius Arm of that big beautiful picture. Crutchez_CuiBono Nov 2018 #1
Naw, we all live in a yellow submarine. LakeSuperiorView Nov 2018 #5
But of course.... Crutchez_CuiBono Nov 2018 #6
Wikipedia says we're in the Orion Arm Jim Lane Nov 2018 #7
I'd go w wikipedia then. I was close. Seems our professor said Sagittarius but wth Crutchez_CuiBono Nov 2018 #8
So NOW we find out! 2naSalit Nov 2018 #2
Its fascinating!!! Crutchez_CuiBono Nov 2018 #3
My son the astronomer told me about this several years ago. PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2018 #4

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
1. I believe we all live in the Sagittarius Arm of that big beautiful picture.
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 09:13 PM
Nov 2018

Hey Jude, What an incredible report!!! TY.

 

LakeSuperiorView

(1,533 posts)
5. Naw, we all live in a yellow submarine.
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 08:10 AM
Nov 2018

At least that's what the Philosophers Starr, Lennon, Harrison, and McCartney postulated.

In an incredible coincidence, I ate several miniature Milky Ways just last night...

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
7. Wikipedia says we're in the Orion Arm
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 01:56 PM
Nov 2018

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orion_Arm

The Orion Arm is a minor spiral arm of the Milky Way some 3,500 light-years (1,100 parsecs) across and approximately 10,000 light-years (3,100 parsecs) in length,[2] containing the Solar System, including the Earth. It is also referred to by its full name, the Orion–Cygnus Arm, as well as Local Arm, Orion Bridge, and formerly, the Local Spur and Orion Spur.

The arm is named for the Orion constellation, which is one of the most prominent constellations of Northern Hemisphere winter (Southern Hemisphere summer). Some of the brightest stars and most famous celestial objects of the constellation (e.g. Betelgeuse, Rigel, the three stars of Orion's Belt, the Orion Nebula) are within it as shown on the interactive map below.

The arm is between the Carina–Sagittarius Arm (the local portions of which are toward the Galactic Center) and the Perseus Arm (the local portion of which is the main outer-most arm and one of two major arms of the galaxy).

Long thought to be a minor structure, namely a "spur" between the two arms mentioned, evidence was presented in mid 2013 that our arm might be a branch of the Perseus Arm, or possibly an independent arm segment.[3]

Within the arm, the Solar System is close to its inner rim, in a relative cavity in the arm's Interstellar Medium known as the Local Bubble, about halfway along the arm's length, approximately 8,000 parsecs (26,000 light-years) from the Galactic Center.


In the image in the OP, it's labeled the Orion Spur.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
8. I'd go w wikipedia then. I was close. Seems our professor said Sagittarius but wth
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 02:01 PM
Nov 2018

do I know. Thanks for the info.
Edit...Maybe thats why the pyramids are oriented like Orions Belt? Who knows? Fun to think about though. Have a good weekend.

2naSalit

(86,691 posts)
2. So NOW we find out!
Fri Nov 2, 2018, 09:29 PM
Nov 2018

That's beautiful!


Imagine that, part of a neighbor-eating galaxy, who'd a thunk it?

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,868 posts)
4. My son the astronomer told me about this several years ago.
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 05:19 AM
Nov 2018

Apparently Milky Way has already gobbled up several galaxies. And eventually all of the galaxies in our local cluster will have crashed together and be one gigunda galaxy. By that point, many billions of years in the future, all of the other galaxies in the universe will be so far away that their light will no longer reach us. That means that astronomers living in that distant future will have no way of detecting stars or galaxies outside our own giant one, and since the background radiation from the Big Bang will no longer be detectable, will have no way of figuring out how old the Universe is nor how large it is. They'll only be able to see the stars in our giant galaxy and there will apparently be nothing at all outside it.

We are very lucky that we live at a time in the life of the Universe that we can not only detect the radiation from the Big Bang but we can see hundreds of thousands, maybe more like billions of galaxies that are still within light detection.

Oh, and according to my son the astronomer, it is highly likely that we are perhaps the first technological civilization to evolve in our galaxy (who knows what's out there in other galaxies? They are so far away we won't ever know or be able to be in touch with them) not to mention I can personally think of several forms of intelligent life that might not bother to develop technological civilization, even without the caveat that perhaps a technological civilization will tend to destroy itself long before it can colonize the galaxy.

Depressing, right?

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