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lordsummerisle

(4,651 posts)
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 08:43 PM Jun 2019

A Physicist Has Proposed a Pretty Depressing Explanation For Why We Never See Aliens

sciencealert.com

The Universe is so unimaginably big, and it's positively teeming with an almost infinite supply of potentially life-giving worlds. So where the heck is everybody?

At its heart, this is what's called the Fermi Paradox: the perplexing scientific anomaly that despite there being billions of stars in our Milky Way galaxy – let alone outside it – we've never encountered any signs of an advanced alien civilisation, and why not?

https://www.sciencealert.com/a-physicist-has-proposed-a-pretty-depressing-explanation-for-why-we-never-see-aliens

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A Physicist Has Proposed a Pretty Depressing Explanation For Why We Never See Aliens (Original Post) lordsummerisle Jun 2019 OP
"Or maybe they just don't want anything to do with us?" Hard to argue with that explanation... hlthe2b Jun 2019 #1
Our radio signals from our planet lapfog_1 Jun 2019 #2
Thats assuming any other such civilizations currently still exist as we do not know the rate at cstanleytech Jun 2019 #7
i think the physicist is full of shit. 5X Jun 2019 #3
Agreed. The cosmos is too vast for us, a small world, buried on an obscure section... brush Jun 2019 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2019 #8
I agree. Duppers Jun 2019 #15
Just about anything we have to say about alien motives is anthropomorphization. Thomas Hurt Jun 2019 #4
Or they may have come and gone long before we arose. trev Jun 2019 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2019 #9
...leaving behind evidence in stone that we have chosen to ignore. Enoki33 Jun 2019 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2019 #11
"new lords Prayer" trev Jun 2019 #14
Yup. trev Jun 2019 #13
2 space aliens looking down on earth. keithbvadu2 Jun 2019 #12
No doubt at all! Thanks for the post. Judi Lynn Jun 2019 #16
Don't know, but they both made you think about their message sometimes. keithbvadu2 Jun 2019 #17
Calvin and Hobbes was by Bill Waterson FiveGoodMen Jun 2019 #20
I guess one could live their lifespan of 75 years in the middle of the Sahara Desert.... JustFiveMoreMinutes Jun 2019 #18
We're so fucking stupid we don't even recognize the cultures of non-human species here on earth. hunter Jun 2019 #19
Good points lordsummerisle Jun 2019 #21

lapfog_1

(29,219 posts)
2. Our radio signals from our planet
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 08:52 PM
Jun 2019

are only maybe 110 years old

so the sphere of planets who might be looking for planets like ours (their SETI project) have to be no more than a hundred light years or so from here... not that many stars are within that distance.

Any other visitor would need to run into us accidentally or simply be looking for "goldilocks" planets like ours (not too warm, not too cold, with water... etc)

cstanleytech

(26,318 posts)
7. Thats assuming any other such civilizations currently still exist as we do not know the rate at
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 09:44 PM
Jun 2019

which such species and civilizations might evolve but we do know that no species is static and that eventually they either cease to exist or in some cases evolve into other species.

5X

(3,972 posts)
3. i think the physicist is full of shit.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 09:05 PM
Jun 2019

defeatist world view from Russia.

we may already have visitors according to some pilots.
i think they are tourists from an advanced civilization.
after all, it looks like tourists may be the first from our
planet.

brush

(53,840 posts)
5. Agreed. The cosmos is too vast for us, a small world, buried on an obscure section...
Reply to 5X (Reply #3)
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 09:27 PM
Jun 2019

of an arm of one of a billion-some spiral galaxies, hardly Times Square, and as another poster noted, just discovered and sent radio signals 110 years ago, are not the subject of an all-hands, or appendages maybe, universe-wide dragnet.

I do however believe we've been observed by other beings with more advanced space travel technology. They've perhaps satisfied their curiosity but left us alone for the most part. That says something about our importance, advanced status or lack thereof, and our uniqueness.

As far as us being the top tech dog in the universe/multi-verse of trillions of stars/planets? Puh-leeze! And being the only life in existence, double, triple puh-leeze!

Response to 5X (Reply #3)

Duppers

(28,125 posts)
15. I agree.
Reply to 5X (Reply #3)
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 01:07 AM
Jun 2019

2 physicists in my family, one agrees but the other is unsure. I think they've been visiting because I've seen one.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
4. Just about anything we have to say about alien motives is anthropomorphization.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 09:27 PM
Jun 2019

So where the heck is everybody?

answered the question when they wrote: The Universe is so unimaginably big.

trev

(1,480 posts)
6. Or they may have come and gone long before we arose.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 09:39 PM
Jun 2019

Our space technology is only 60 years old. We can hardly come up with definitive conclusions based on the very limited evidence we have been able to gather.

Response to trev (Reply #6)

Response to Enoki33 (Reply #10)

trev

(1,480 posts)
14. "new lords Prayer"
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 12:36 AM
Jun 2019

I had to look that up. I can see why he wanted to change it. I'd always wondered why god would lead us into temptation; seems to me we're pretty good at it on our own.

keithbvadu2

(36,886 posts)
12. 2 space aliens looking down on earth.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:43 PM
Jun 2019

2 space aliens looking down on earth.
I see the dominant life form has developed space weapons.
Does this mean they are an emerging intelligence?
I don't think so. They have them aimed at themselves.
.

Judi Lynn

(160,601 posts)
16. No doubt at all! Thanks for the post.
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 01:31 AM
Jun 2019

Have a question: is the person who created the cartoon the one who used to do the Pogo strips and books? I used to love his sense of humor, his personality, and that surely looks like his handiwork.

Just curious. I have forgotten his name. I doubt Pogo is running anywhere, but it was delightful.

keithbvadu2

(36,886 posts)
17. Don't know, but they both made you think about their message sometimes.
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 07:42 AM
Jun 2019

Don't know, but they both made you think about their message sometimes.

JustFiveMoreMinutes

(2,133 posts)
18. I guess one could live their lifespan of 75 years in the middle of the Sahara Desert....
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 09:31 AM
Jun 2019

.. and never meet another soul.

"Alone"? <smile>

hunter

(38,325 posts)
19. We're so fucking stupid we don't even recognize the cultures of non-human species here on earth.
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 11:31 AM
Jun 2019

It's just recently that some humans have accepted humans outside their own culture as anything other than animals.

How would we recognize a star faring culture that didn't use radio, spaceships, or any of the others tools we think are "advanced."

Why would beings who are godlike compared to ourselves need spaceships?

Maybe the Neanderthals didn't go extinct. Maybe they saw a better place among the stars and simply walked there through some kind of portal our sort of human would fear as magic.



lordsummerisle

(4,651 posts)
21. Good points
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 05:35 PM
Jun 2019

I also like what one of the posters above said:

"Just about anything we have to say about alien motives is anthropomorphization."

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