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bananas

(27,509 posts)
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 11:04 AM Jun 2012

Looks like Polywell got another two years of funding

I just took a look at talk-polywell and found this thread: http://www.talk-polywell.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3690

Following the links to other links, it looks like there was a positive independent review.
There also were apparently some instabilities they need to work through.

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Looks like Polywell got another two years of funding (Original Post) bananas Jun 2012 OP
"The anticipated timeframe of this technology going into production is another four or five years" bananas Jun 2012 #1
EMC2 is building new E-guns FogerRox Jun 2012 #5
Good luck with this longship Jun 2012 #2
Yay! n/t krispos42 Jun 2012 #3
This is GREAT news. Occulus Jun 2012 #4
And the next step, (crossing fingers) is the Proton Boron11 runs FogerRox Jun 2012 #6
They're going to test the actual fuel? Occulus Jun 2012 #9
500 deuterium runs with WB-8, to the best of my knowledge FogerRox Jun 2012 #11
Kicking for eyes FogerRox Jun 2012 #7
Hey, they started a thread about this thread! bananas Jun 2012 #8
They seem to think we don't want fusion power. Occulus Jun 2012 #10
Lot of extreme right wingers over there, birthers etc... FogerRox Jun 2012 #12
I just quoted your comment over at talk polywell FogerRox Jun 2012 #13
I'm one of those "deep ecologists" hunter Jun 2012 #14
Carl Sagan was a deep ecologist bananas Jun 2012 #15

bananas

(27,509 posts)
1. "The anticipated timeframe of this technology going into production is another four or five years"
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 11:10 AM
Jun 2012

Don't have time to read everything but just saw this:

http://www.talk-polywell.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=84317#84317

hanelyp
Joined: 26 Oct 2007
Posts: 693
Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 1:50 am

Some statements caught my eye:

Quote:
During the course of the contracted study several anomalies related to how electrons were fed into the device were discovered.

So an area where more study is required. Joe is sure to jump on that one.

Quote:
The experimental results to date were consistent with the underlying theoretical framework of the Polywell fusion concept...


Quote:
The anticipated timeframe of this technology going into production is another four or five years from now.


Not near as much detail as we'd like, but sounds like good news to me.

FogerRox

(13,211 posts)
5. EMC2 is building new E-guns
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 04:30 PM
Jun 2012

which will be placed in slightly retracted positions compared to the previous generation e-guns. At least thats my take on it. Scaling on the other hand is excellent, WB-8 is twice the size of Wb-7, scaling says you double the size you get 144 times more fusion.

Occulus

(20,599 posts)
4. This is GREAT news.
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 03:47 PM
Jun 2012

What it means is that the underwriters- the Navy, I believe- feel there is some "there" there.

We NEED this. Badly.

FogerRox

(13,211 posts)
11. 500 deuterium runs with WB-8, to the best of my knowledge
Sun Jun 10, 2012, 10:59 PM
Jun 2012

they just got more funding which starts with new E-guns, then analyze, if the new e-guns solve the perimeter anomaly, then expect WB-8.1 to operate, running the P-B11 fuel.

Helium is only a initial/breakin test, before Deuterium runs. SO yes, P-B11 might only be 1-2 years away.

Yeah Goodie goodie.....

Occulus

(20,599 posts)
10. They seem to think we don't want fusion power.
Sun Jun 10, 2012, 07:00 PM
Jun 2012

I know I differ on that; humanity badly needs fusion.

FogerRox

(13,211 posts)
12. Lot of extreme right wingers over there, birthers etc...
Sun Jun 10, 2012, 11:05 PM
Jun 2012

with some decidedly one dimensional views of politics. The sort of "all dems do this", like saying all dems are anti gun, its just not true. I was one of the first 30 or so members at talk-polywell, and early on was the only Liberal on the board.

hunter

(38,325 posts)
14. I'm one of those "deep ecologists"
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 01:29 PM
Jun 2012

If fusion energy is inexpensive humans will eat this planet, and then we'll all die.

If fusion energy is just a bit less expensive than fuel oil made out of coal, there may some hope for us.

bananas

(27,509 posts)
15. Carl Sagan was a deep ecologist
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 01:51 PM
Jun 2012

But I don't think he'd agree with you about energy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sagan

Sagan warned against humans' tendency towards anthropocentrism. He was the faculty adviser for the Cornell Students for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. In the Cosmos chapter "Blues For a Red Planet", Sagan wrote, "If there is life on Mars, I believe we should do nothing with Mars. Mars then belongs to the Martians, even if the Martians are only microbes."[56]



http://skepticalvegan.com/2011/11/09/happy-b-day-carl/

Carl Sagan and Animal Rights

November 9th marks the 77th anniversary of Carl Sagan’s birth. Today we celebrate the life of a great scientist and promoter of animal rights. Over the years Sagan spoke out against anthropocentrism and called on us “to extend our ethical perspectives downward through the taxa on Earth and upwards to extraterrestrial organisms, if they exist.” For two and a half years Sagan served as faculty adviser for Cornell Students for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (CSETA) and was somewhat controversial for some of his views on animals. In his book Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors he remarked, “Humans–who enslave, castrate, experiment on, and fillet other animals–have had an understandable penchant for pretending animals do not feel pain. A sharp distinction between humans and “animals” is essential if we are to bend them to our will, make them work for us, wear them, eat them–without any disquieting tinges of guilt or regret. It is unseemly of us, who often behave so unfeeling toward other animals, to contend that only humans can suffer. The behavior of other animals renders such pretensions specious.They are just too much like us”.

Carl Sagan had much to say on cetacean intelligence as well and was also a major critic of whaling going so far as to call it “monstrous and barbaric” and “murder”.

He also held critical attitudes toward at least some vivisection, especially primate research and was a supporter of the Great Ape Project which attempts to extend basic rights to Great Apes. Having received bone marrow transplants developed using animal models, he questioned the justice of medical research, saying he felt “very conflicted on this issue”.

PETA used to have him on a list of prominent vegans but have since removed him for lack of evidence. Sagan by reports wasn’t a big meat eater but wasn’t vegan either, he advocated “humane treatment” rather than “non-exploitation” and generally took a measured approach to controversial issues in his life.

Near the end of his life in 1996 Sagan wrote “In my writings, I have tried to show how closely related we are to other animals…and how morally bankrupt it is to slaughter them, say, to manufacture lipstick.” We would all do well to contemplate Carl Sagan’s words and their implications on our and other lives. He was an important and intelligent man with much to contribute to science, philosophy and general culture. Happy Birthday Carl, you are missed!

*please note this is a re-post from last year

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