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Related: About this forumLHC has to take the phase of the moon into account
It's so big, there's a tidal effect across the 8.5km diameter ring:
Data was coming in at a high rate and all sub-detectors were humming nicely. Not a glitch in hours so we were getting slightly sleepy nearing the end of the shift around 22:00. So when a colleague from the trigger system (the system that decides which events are worth keeping) called to inquire about recurrent splashes of data, I was rather puzzled.
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So I called the LHC control room to find out what was happening. Oh, those dips?, casually answered the operator on shift. Thats because the moon is nearly full and I periodically have to adjust the proton beam orbits.
This effect has been known since the LEP days, the Large Electron Proton collider, the LHC predecessor. The LHC reuses the same circular tunnel as LEP. Twenty some years ago, it then came as a surprise that, given the 27 km circumference of the accelerator, the gravitational force exerted by the moon on one side is not the same as the one felt at the opposite side, creating a small distortion of the tunnel. Since the moons effect is very small, only large bodies like oceans feel its effect in the form of tides. But the LHC is such a sensitive apparatus, it can detect the minute deformations created by the small differences in the gravitational force across its diameter. The effect is of course largest when the moon is full.
What came as a surprise to me was to witness the dynamic aspect of it. As the moon was rising in the sky, the force it exerted changed ever so slightly, but even these infinitesimal changes were big enough to require a periodic correction of the orbit of the proton beams in the accelerator to adapt to a deformed tunnel.
http://www.quantumdiaries.org/2012/06/07/is-the-moon-full-just-ask-the-lhc-operators/
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So I called the LHC control room to find out what was happening. Oh, those dips?, casually answered the operator on shift. Thats because the moon is nearly full and I periodically have to adjust the proton beam orbits.
This effect has been known since the LEP days, the Large Electron Proton collider, the LHC predecessor. The LHC reuses the same circular tunnel as LEP. Twenty some years ago, it then came as a surprise that, given the 27 km circumference of the accelerator, the gravitational force exerted by the moon on one side is not the same as the one felt at the opposite side, creating a small distortion of the tunnel. Since the moons effect is very small, only large bodies like oceans feel its effect in the form of tides. But the LHC is such a sensitive apparatus, it can detect the minute deformations created by the small differences in the gravitational force across its diameter. The effect is of course largest when the moon is full.
What came as a surprise to me was to witness the dynamic aspect of it. As the moon was rising in the sky, the force it exerted changed ever so slightly, but even these infinitesimal changes were big enough to require a periodic correction of the orbit of the proton beams in the accelerator to adapt to a deformed tunnel.
http://www.quantumdiaries.org/2012/06/07/is-the-moon-full-just-ask-the-lhc-operators/
And they also have to take into account passing TGVs and the level of Lake Geneva ...
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LHC has to take the phase of the moon into account (Original Post)
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2012
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Well, like water tides, the effects are greatest at new and full moon
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2012
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Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)1. That's so warped... nt
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)2. well, that's really not moon phase
rather it is its position in the sky relative to the position of the proton stream...still cool!
sP
muriel_volestrangler
(101,321 posts)3. Well, like water tides, the effects are greatest at new and full moon
when the sun and moon line up.
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)4. indeed...didn't really think about it that way...duh
on a more questioning note, i wonder how often they have to make these adjustments. it would seem to have to be almost constant. the moon moves not only water but crust as well (i think the number was something like 10 inches) and it is in pretty bad position about every 6 hours from that perspective. and if even the hydrostatic pressure changes due to the level of Lake Geneva cause deformations in the tunnel...well, the moon should certainly cause bigger ones.
sP
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)6. Exactly. It's the alignment, not the phase of full or new.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)5. I wouldn't get too bent out of shape by it
lastlib
(23,244 posts)7. that was so bad, I'm not going to nominate it for a DUzy!
You're just warped, my friend!