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Caribbeans

(775 posts)
Sun Feb 18, 2024, 05:33 PM Feb 18

Geologists signal start of hydrogen energy 'gold rush'. Natural sources of the gas are more abundant than expected


Natural Hydrogen Energy’s exploratory well in Nebraska. Geologists believe hydrogen is generated in large quantities when iron-rich minerals react with water © Viacheslav Zgonnik

Geologists signal start of hydrogen energy ‘gold rush’.

Natural sources of the gas are more abundant than expected & could supply energy needs for centuries, study shows.

FT.com | Clive Cookson | Feb 18, 2024

Geologists are signalling the start of a new energy “gold rush” for a previously neglected carbon-free resource — hydrogen generated naturally within Earth.

As much as 5tn tonnes of hydrogen exists in underground reservoirs worldwide, according to an unpublished study by the US Geological Survey.

Previewing the results at the American Association for the Advancement of Science annual meeting in Denver, project leader Geoffrey Ellis said: “Most hydrogen is likely inaccessible, but a few per cent recovery would still supply all projected demand — 500mn tonnes a year — for hundreds of years.”

The demand for hydrogen as a fuel and industrial raw material, particularly to make ammonia for fertiliser production, has been mainly met so far by chemically reforming gas that is made up largely of methane, known as “blue hydrogen” when the carbon emissions are captured or “grey hydrogen” when they are not...

...Mengli Zhang of the Colorado School of Mines said tapping natural hydrogen — also known as geologic or gold hydrogen — would be cleaner and cheaper than blue or green hydrogen. “A gold rush for gold hydrogen is coming,” she told the conference...more
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Geologists signal start of hydrogen energy 'gold rush'. Natural sources of the gas are more abundant than expected (Original Post) Caribbeans Feb 18 OP
This is good. My ? is storing the hydrogen. The hydrogen atom is so small, prone to escaping barriers, this is from SWBTATTReg Feb 18 #1
600 + miles of hydrogen pipeline around the US Gulf Coast by one company alone Caribbeans Feb 18 #2
They have.... Think. Again. Feb 18 #3
Fiber Winded Tanks Caribbeans Feb 18 #4
Thanks! SWBTATTReg Feb 19 #9
Criticism of publications from a pro-hydrogen think tank 4dog Feb 18 #5
Hydrogen IS electric Caribbeans Feb 18 #6
More bullshit from the "drill baby drill" industry. NNadir Feb 18 #7
This claim that we won't need to manufacture it anymore, call me skeptical BootinUp Feb 18 #8

SWBTATTReg

(22,130 posts)
1. This is good. My ? is storing the hydrogen. The hydrogen atom is so small, prone to escaping barriers, this is from
Sun Feb 18, 2024, 05:37 PM
Feb 18

long ago articles I have read. Perhaps they found a way around this issue?

Caribbeans

(775 posts)
2. 600 + miles of hydrogen pipeline around the US Gulf Coast by one company alone
Sun Feb 18, 2024, 05:58 PM
Feb 18

Air Products’ Gulf Coast hydrogen plant and pipeline supply network is the world’s largest system of its kind. The 600-mile pipeline stretches from the Houston Ship Channel in Texas to New Orleans, Louisiana. Our hydrogen pipeline is fed by more than 20 Air Products hydrogen production facilities and provides over 1.4 billion standard cubic feet per day (over 1.5 million Nm3/hr) of hydrogen to refinery and petrochemical customers...more
https://www.airproducts.com/company/innovation/hydrogen-and-carbon-monoxide

Over 200 Hydrogen Stations in Europe, over 400 now in China

https://h2.live/en/


Think. Again.

(8,172 posts)
3. They have....
Sun Feb 18, 2024, 05:59 PM
Feb 18

....there are multiple companies making hydrogen storage tanks and tankers now, and for very large amounts, unused mines are being re-purposed.

That old "but the storage!" trope is only being pushed by the fossil fuel industry now, it isn't really a thing.

Caribbeans

(775 posts)
4. Fiber Winded Tanks
Sun Feb 18, 2024, 06:02 PM
Feb 18

Rayvatek High-Pressure Carbon Fiber Winded Tank for Hydrogen Energy Storage.

Rayvatek offers both Type-3 (Metal with Carbon Fiber winded) & Type-4 (Plastic with carbon fiber winded) tanks. The maximum length of winding services can reach 12-meter meter long with a diameter of 3 meters

4dog

(505 posts)
5. Criticism of publications from a pro-hydrogen think tank
Sun Feb 18, 2024, 06:11 PM
Feb 18

mostly saying its cost predictions are BS. I'm not sufficiently familiar with this whole approach to decarbonization to weigh in, but considering how widespread bad information is in the energy business, it's worth looking carefully. I also don't know if this is available to nonsubscribers.

https://medium.com/the-future-is-electric/clean-transportation-think-tank-gets-maritime-hydrogen-wrong-too-c30f99c5ea58

Caribbeans

(775 posts)
6. Hydrogen IS electric
Sun Feb 18, 2024, 06:18 PM
Feb 18

without the massive batteries



The future of mobility (and lots of other things) should be diverse and not rely 100% on batteries. At least that's what many think.

NNadir

(33,525 posts)
7. More bullshit from the "drill baby drill" industry.
Sun Feb 18, 2024, 06:24 PM
Feb 18

The hydrogen scam is all about greenwashing fossil fuels, period.

BootinUp

(47,162 posts)
8. This claim that we won't need to manufacture it anymore, call me skeptical
Sun Feb 18, 2024, 07:40 PM
Feb 18

In other words, wouldn't we already be mining it?

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