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Say I drill a hole straight through the center of the earth put a tube in it that stops all molten rock, etc...just an empty tunnel from one end to the other. Ok. Now say I throw something down that hole. What will happen? Will it bob back-and-forth about the center? Will it be crushed due to pressure? What will come to pass? This has caused quite the debate on my facebook page. i was accused of being a 'Physics-troll' for posting it. Thanks!
struggle4progress
(118,294 posts)all the mass were concentrated at the center. So if you could drill a hole along a diameter of the earth and toss an object down into it, I should expect the object to bob around the center. I expect that if you allowed the hole to fill with atmosphere, the gas would be distributed along the hole according to the usual barometric law; then atmospheric resistance would dampen the bobbing; and (it being about 4000 miles to the center) a reasonably dense and compact object would be heated by friction against the gas and might be expected to burn as meteors do
phantom power
(25,966 posts)(and at the center, net force is zero). So it behaves as a "spring" system - force is linear with displacement:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic_oscillator
struggle4progress
(118,294 posts)whether position: exterior to the shell, the effective force is as if the mass were concentrated at the center; interior to the shell, there is no effective force. so by decomposing the sphere into infinitesimal spherical shells, we see the effective force at an interior point at distance r from the center is as if the mass of the subsphere of radius r were concentrated at the center. so i guess you're right: with the cubic law for mass and an inverse square law for the force, we probably get a linear variation of force with r at interior points. that probably means i'm wrong about the barometric law, too. i'm too lazy to do the atmospheric calculations right now
muriel_volestrangler
(101,321 posts)They increase as you go in: http://jersey.uoregon.edu/~mstrick/AskGeoMan/geoQuerry57.html
So the variation wouldn't be linear, after all.
phantom power
(25,966 posts)It will bob back and forth, with sinusoidal motion (at least, if you drill through the axis of rotation).
Greg Benford actually wrote this into one of his "galactic center" books, where a civilization cored a planet as described, and a human falls through.
struggle4progress
(118,294 posts)phantom power
(25,966 posts)phantom power
(25,966 posts)Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)struggle4progress
(118,294 posts)to answer the OP's question about whether a dropped object might be crushed
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Which, as we all know, is at the center of the Earth.
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)(the object you threw in) and the heat escaping into the atmosphere would crisp us all.
IF you could drill a hole.. we've made it about 8 miles into the crust so far with modern tech. only 7902.41 miles to go!
they did actually almost reach the lower crust at a site in the Atlantic a few years ago, but I haven't seen the data release.
Ian David
(69,059 posts)Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)So far, we can't even make drill bits that don't melt at 12 miles deep..
Ian David
(69,059 posts)Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)injects them both into the Earth where they orbit the Earth's core until they meet and annihilate, destroying the planet.
is that what you really want??!
Ian David
(69,059 posts)MarkCharles
(2,261 posts)Or any moon, for that matter.
I just never knew. Does it have a molten core like planets do, or did it ever?
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)The interior of the moon is layered into a hard, outer crust, a rigid outer mantle, a semi-rigid inner mantle, and a core. The interior of the moon is cooler than the interior of the Earth. Since the moon is so small (and so its surface area to volume ratio is large compared to that of the Earth), it loses its heat quickly into space. Since the Earth and the moon formed, the moon has cooled down much more than the Earth.
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/astronomy/moon/Mooninside.shtml
Jim__
(14,077 posts)Wikipedia has some articles on that. From the geology of the moon ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology_of_the_Moon ) :
The first important event in the geologic evolution of the Moon was the crystallization of the near global magma ocean. It is not known with certainty what its depth was, but several studies imply a depth of about 500 km or greater. The first minerals to form in this ocean were the iron and magnesium silicates olivine and pyroxene. Because these minerals were denser than the molten material around them, they sank. After crystallization was about 75% complete, less dense anorthositic plagioclase feldspar crystallized and floated, forming an anorthositic crust about 50 km in thickness. The majority of the magma ocean crystallized quickly (within about 100 million years or less), though the final remaining KREEP-rich magmas, which are highly enriched in incompatible and heat producing elements, could have remained partially molten for several hundred million (or perhaps 1 billion) years. It appears that the final KREEP-rich magmas of the magma ocean eventually became concentrated within the region of Oceanus Procellarum and the Imbrium basin, a unique geologic province that is now known as the Procellarum KREEP Terrane.
Quickly after the lunar crust formed, or even as it was forming, different types of magmas that would give rise to the Mg-suite norites and troctolites[7] began to form, although the exact depths at which this occurred are not known precisely. Recent theories suggest that Mg-suite plutonism was largely confined to the region of the Procellarum KREEP Terrane, and that these magmas are genetically related to KREEP in some manner, though their origin is still highly debated in the scientific community. The oldest of the Mg-suite rocks have crystallization ages of about 3.85 Ga. However, the last large impact that could have excavated deep into the crust (the Imbrium basin) also occurred at 3.85 Ga before present. Thus, it seems probable that Mg-suite plutonic activity continued for a much longer time, and that younger plutonic rocks exist deep below the surface.
Analysis of the lunar samples seem to imply that a significant percentage of the lunar impact basins formed within a very short period of time between about 4 and 3.85 Ga ago. This hypothesis is referred to as the lunar cataclysm or late heavy bombardment. However, it is now recognized that ejecta from the Imbrium impact basin (one of the youngest large impact basins on the Moon) should be found at all of the Apollo landing sites. It is thus possible that ages for some impact basins (in particular Mare Nectaris) could have been mistakenly assigned the same age as Imbrium.
It also has an article on the internal structure of the moon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_structure_of_the_Moon
bananas
(27,509 posts)If it's molten, then the moon is like a grilled cheese sandwich.
pokerfan
(27,677 posts)Ignoring all other effects (friction, materials, etc.) except gravity...
As it falls down the hole it will accelerate reading maximum velocity at the center of the earth (where incidentally gravitational force is zero). It's momentum continues up the other other side only now the gravitational force is slowing it down until eventually it makes it's appearance at the other end. If no one is there to catch it, it will fall backward and repeat the motion in reverse.
It's a rather classic differential equation and you can see the solution here:
http://www.physicscentral.com/explore/poster-earth.cfm
The period of the system works out to 84 minutes (42 minutes each way) which is also the period of the lowest possible orbit if there was no atmosphere or mountains.
The other fun thing is that any straight hole bored through the earth but not necessarily through the center exhibits the same period. Say a hole from San Fransisco to London. Instead of falling, now you're rolling. You're acceleration is less because of the angle and it works out that it doesn't matter.
The answer is always 42 (minutes).
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Well, that is the answer to life, the universe and everything after all.
(my... that's big)
pokerfan
(27,677 posts)bananas
(27,509 posts)...as well as the earth's orbit.
The shape of the tube you'd need in order not to hit the side is a good question.
bananas
(27,509 posts)To simplify the math, assume no air friction or wall friction (vacuum tunnel and ice walls).
If the tunnel has the right shape, an object released into the front of the tunnel will be accelerated to escape velocity by the time it reaches the other end of the tunnel.
I could be wrong, but that's my recollection.
caraher
(6,278 posts)A more relevant definition of escape velocity than some number calculated for the surface of a given body is that it's the speed required for the kinetic energy and the gravitational potential energy to add to zero (where we take zero potential energy to correspond to infinite separation between the body and the planet/moon/other massive primary object).
So while one might exceed the number you would find for "escape velocity" from Earth's surface inside such a tunnel, you'd be much deeper in Earth's gravitational potential well. Leaving aside rotation, friction and all the other complicating factors, the best you can ever do is start at Earth's surface at rest and return to the surface elsewhere with zero speed. The sum of KE and PE will always be whatever it was when you started - simple energy conservation - and that sum will always be negative in the situation you describe, no matter where you are on the trajectory.
Dead_Parrot
(14,478 posts)...You could build the hole in a parabola and pull a gravity assist orbit. Not sure how to work out orbital speeds inside the planet, though.
caraher
(6,278 posts)You'd just come out of the hole with (at best) the same speed you entered (relative to the planet, which is all that matters for escape velocity or even reaching orbit).
Gravity assist is a problem where the planet and spacecraft are in a system dominated by the sun. The kinetic energy gained by the spacecraft (for a big change in speed) is lost by the planet (for a negligible change in speed). By contrast, this is more of a 2-body problem in which Earth is essentially at rest before and after; it has no orbital speed about itself to contribute to the object you're trying to fling into space.
bananas
(27,509 posts)Well, any trip that changes latitude, but doesn't go to an opposite latitude would cause a rotational acceleration that was always in the same direction - Killeen would rocket out of the tunnel or perhaps get stuck part way through. I calculated one specific example - imagine a tunnel going from the North pole to the equator. It turns out that the final velocity of Killeen as he left the tunnel at the equator would be about 3 tenths of a mile per second - pretty fast.
3 tenths of a mile per second = 1584 feet per second
speed of sound = 1116 ft/s
So it would break the sound barrier, not escape velocity.
Dead_Parrot
(14,478 posts)We've got this pesky moon exerting a weak but noticeable pull off to the side. And the side in question is constantly moving...
If you managed to arrange it so the hole passed through the earth/moon barycentre when you dropped, you could possibly get a single complete transit before it went bang.
Incidentally, and ignoring atmosphere, the time it would take to get from one side to the other is 42 minutes.
Somewhere, Douglas Adams is laughing...
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)Well, if you want to get the video on YouTube.
Besides, every kid knows that all you need is a shovel and an afternoon to dig a hole to China (or wherever you think the other side of the earth is).
Javaman
(62,530 posts)so far all the crap that was through in on one side, failed to come out the other side.
The man is a regular black hole.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)it took me nearly 2 minutes to find it, the least you can do is watch it
Charlemagne
(576 posts)Thanks so much!