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Jilly_in_VA

(9,994 posts)
Mon Dec 18, 2023, 12:31 PM Dec 2023

A Monumental Prehistoric Discovery In Siberia Rewrites Human History, Scientists Say

New evidence unearthed from ancient fortresses in Siberia is totally rewriting our understanding of how complex societies evolved.

Radiocarbon dating of artifacts has revealed that Eastern Russia’s Amnya I and Amnya II sites are around 8,000 years old—centuries older than similar structures in Europe.

Despite their age, the settlements are by no means basic, consisting of roughly 20 houses dug into the ground to protect from sometimes-frigid temperatures, and fortified with stakes and trenches.

Once occupied by the hunter-gatherers who roamed the boreal forests of the East Siberian taiga, the houses—and the technology and pottery excavated around them—are calling into question the long-held idea that agriculture was necessary for the development of complex social structures and settlements.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/88xbxv/a-monumental-prehistoric-discovery-in-siberia-rewrites-human-history-scientists-say

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A Monumental Prehistoric Discovery In Siberia Rewrites Human History, Scientists Say (Original Post) Jilly_in_VA Dec 2023 OP
This sounds a lot like something I read a few days ago about a site in Scotland captain queeg Dec 2023 #1
Star Carr in England wasn't agricultural Warpy Dec 2023 #6
They could live anywhere, Bayard Dec 2023 #2
Well Jilly_in_VA Dec 2023 #3
i think the further we go back in time via diging, will find that timelines will be pushed back even further. AllaN01Bear Dec 2023 #4
Hey, if it's cold enough to safely keep the wooly mammoth you killed last spring in your Neolithic Frigidaire,... LudwigPastorius Dec 2023 #5

captain queeg

(10,240 posts)
1. This sounds a lot like something I read a few days ago about a site in Scotland
Mon Dec 18, 2023, 12:51 PM
Dec 2023

Similar age and also mentioned the lack of agriculture.

Warpy

(111,336 posts)
6. Star Carr in England wasn't agricultural
Mon Dec 18, 2023, 03:25 PM
Dec 2023

It was mesolithic, which means the inhabitants hunted and gathered what they needed to survive. The area was marshy, probably chosen for its resemblance to Doggerland by people who read the writing on the wall that Doggerland was sinking. They ate a wide variety of foodstuffs, using their proximity to water to draw thirsty game in. It was inhabited for about 800 years, possibly abandoned when the water table had risen and turned the whole area boggy.

People had begun to create permanent settlements thousands of years before climate change pshed them into the relative drudgery of farming, not the reverse.

Jilly_in_VA

(9,994 posts)
3. Well
Mon Dec 18, 2023, 02:12 PM
Dec 2023

That's where they happened to be at the time, not where they CHOSE to be. Slight difference there!

AllaN01Bear

(18,376 posts)
4. i think the further we go back in time via diging, will find that timelines will be pushed back even further.
Mon Dec 18, 2023, 03:16 PM
Dec 2023

LudwigPastorius

(9,167 posts)
5. Hey, if it's cold enough to safely keep the wooly mammoth you killed last spring in your Neolithic Frigidaire,...
Mon Dec 18, 2023, 03:22 PM
Dec 2023

You don't need to be constantly moving, on the hunt for more food.

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