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wnylib

(21,487 posts)
Wed May 24, 2023, 09:51 PM May 2023

417 interconnected Mayan cities discovered in Guatemala dating back to around 1000 BC.

Researchers from a joint US-Guatamalan archaeological expedition revealed in an interview with the Washington Post that they had uncovered 417 cities connected by a network of highways dating back approximately 3000 years.

According to the Washington Post, the discovery of a road and city network, hydraulic systems, and agricultural infrastructure indicates that the communities in Central America were more advanced than previously thought.

https://www.dailysabah.com/life/history/scientists-discover-417-mayan-cities-in-guatemalas-forested-area

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417 interconnected Mayan cities discovered in Guatemala dating back to around 1000 BC. (Original Post) wnylib May 2023 OP
KNR and thank you for sharing this fascinating information. niyad May 2023 #1
And the Spanish brought small pox Baitball Blogger May 2023 #2
Destroyed a later civilization, I think. Mister Ed May 2023 #3
The Classic Mayas had collapsed, yes. róisín_dubh May 2023 #7
The Mayan Empire had declined by the time the Spanish arrived, but wnylib May 2023 #9
This is amazing! Thank you for posting. PatrickforB May 2023 #4
Peace and harmony is a myth róisín_dubh May 2023 #6
"Harmony with the earth" depends on which indigenous culture wnylib May 2023 #12
❤️ littlemissmartypants May 2023 #5
Fascinating n/t hibbing May 2023 #8
K n R ! Thanks for posting!...nt JoeOtterbein May 2023 #10
Years ago I read a book by Gary Jennings called Aztec and a few of the sequels kimbutgar May 2023 #11
Having studied Mayans in college, this doesn't surprise me at all. sybylla Jun 2023 #13
Agree that for a very long time both wnylib Jun 2023 #14
Wonderful news. Thank you. ⭐️ Judi Lynn Jun 2023 #15

Mister Ed

(5,940 posts)
3. Destroyed a later civilization, I think.
Wed May 24, 2023, 10:39 PM
May 2023

I think the Mayan civilization had fallen long before the arrival of the Spaniards, whose guns and germs laid low such later civilizations as the Aztec of Mexico and the Inca of Peru.

róisín_dubh

(11,795 posts)
7. The Classic Mayas had collapsed, yes.
Thu May 25, 2023, 12:06 AM
May 2023

What emerged and existed when Spaniards arrived was kind of a microcosm of the much larger and more vibrant earlier societies.

wnylib

(21,487 posts)
9. The Mayan Empire had declined by the time the Spanish arrived, but
Thu May 25, 2023, 12:11 AM
May 2023

the culture and civilization had not disappeared. In fact, the culture still has not disappeared. There are still a few million descendants of the Mayan civilization living in Latin America. Some of them speak Spanish, but many speak a Mayan dialect. There are Catholic Mayans who incorporate Mayan religious beliefs into Catholicism, but others follow some of the old Mayan gods and beliefs without a Christian influence. In Mexico, the Mayan descendants are among the poorest people in the country and are often looked down on by other Mexicans.

PatrickforB

(14,577 posts)
4. This is amazing! Thank you for posting.
Wed May 24, 2023, 11:50 PM
May 2023

All one has to do is look at a Mayan calendar to know they were an advanced civilization. I've always thought the indigenous peoples in the Americas lived in peace and harmony with the earth for millennia.

Then we came.

róisín_dubh

(11,795 posts)
6. Peace and harmony is a myth
Thu May 25, 2023, 12:05 AM
May 2023

The Maya of the Classic Period so altered their environment that it’s one of the things that led to their collapse.
Indigenous peoples were violent, they made war and killed just like we do, but there was a different motivation behind it.

Sorry to burst everyone’s bubble.

wnylib

(21,487 posts)
12. "Harmony with the earth" depends on which indigenous culture
Thu May 25, 2023, 12:36 AM
May 2023

you speak of. Civilizations that were built up like the Mayans, Aztecs, and Incas, not so much. It was the tribal societies farther north in North America who were more harmonious with nature. That was necessity because they were more closely dependent on nature than people who lived in the cities of empires. Tribal societies were more conscious of the sources of their food, water, and shelter and of the need to respect them, which is reflected in the religious beliefs of some tribal nations of North America.

As for harmony with each other, indigenous people of the Americas, whether tribal or living in empires, made war on each other, and developed alliances and trade agreements like any other people. There were established customs of diplomacy that the majority of tribal nations followed, similar to our own diplomatic customs. Diplomatic delegates were supposed to be immune from attack or killing regardless of any hostilities between the nations that they represented. It was expected that they would receive hospitality when on a mission. If they were mistreated or killed while on a mission, which happened sometimes, that was grounds for war in retaliation. Disrespect for diplomatic messengers was one of the causes of hostilities between colonists and Native people in northeastern North America.



kimbutgar

(21,163 posts)
11. Years ago I read a book by Gary Jennings called Aztec and a few of the sequels
Thu May 25, 2023, 12:13 AM
May 2023

It raised my awareness of that civilization and I have in my life visited some of the sites. The history is so fascinating. I look forward to learning more about these sites that haven’t been formally recorded in history.

sybylla

(8,514 posts)
13. Having studied Mayans in college, this doesn't surprise me at all.
Mon Jun 12, 2023, 09:10 AM
Jun 2023

If one thing is true about archaeology and anthropology, western cultures are very good at devaluing and minimizing the skills, abilities, and accomplishments of non-western cultures.

wnylib

(21,487 posts)
14. Agree that for a very long time both
Mon Jun 12, 2023, 10:49 AM
Jun 2023

anthropology and archaeology were Eurocentric and discounted other cultures and their achievements. The reason for the passage of NAGPRA was that archaeologists were robbing graves of Native Americans in order to classify them by cranial size as an "inferior race."

My interest in cultures, anthropology, and archaeology began in childhood. I can remember, as a child in the 1950s, reading articles that claimed to identify 4 races in the world and to rank them from superior to inferior according to intelligence, present abilities, and past achievements. Caucasian, of course, was ranked the highest. Even as a child I recognized that it was BS.

Arch and anthro have outgrown those heavily biased and inaccurate ideas.

I am not in any way excusing the ethnocentrism of the "western" world, but ethnocentrism is a human trait that can be found in many parts of the world. There are Asian nations and cultures that feel superior to other Asian cultures and to Europeans and Americans. Ethnocentricity is alive and active on Africa, too.

But among scientists, reason should prevail.




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