even though he does such a great job on the dirty dishes before they go into the dishwasher. You are not immune to the pathogens in Doggie's mouth, either, especially since his favorite candy comes out of the cat's litter box.


(Nurses see it all)

"clean" if you then have to place them in the dishwasher?

has better search algorithms to boot.

It's about religion. Good luck dealing with that. Especially with our corrupt Supreme Hobby Court.

because apparently Ignaz Semmelweis was just a figment of our imagination and Microbiology is unsettled science of woo

at your mockery. There may be an entire subreddit about this. Oh wait, we don't have subreddits. Well anyway, this sort of badz mockers is unforgivable. Plus where are the gotes?

Speaking of which, I've heard some rumors that dog tongues are actually excellent disinfectants, despite having recently been licking some other dogs butt, or having been involved in communal turd munching. So should we train dogs for this service?

then it's okay

to see the light and rethink my position on sanitation practices and start using my tongue as an integral tool in my Wound Change toolbox

Naked of sanctified tradition, it's just perverted. In a bad way.

A bunch of not-doctors are sitting down in a room with a bunch of other not-doctors. I'm sure they'll find an amicable middle between following aseptic technique and not following aseptic technique.

Jesus Christ... the stupid... it hurts.

The only reason this isn't just outright banned and people locked up for doing it is because of the special privilege of religion.

Heads would roll. End of story.

And if you read the story, you'll find what these not-doctors have thus far formulated isn't really all that great. They're talking about informing people of the risks beforehand, and maybe working with diagnostic laboratories to find fault should terrible things happen. In neither case is the safety of the child improved in any meaningful way.

A bunch of bullshitters are painting the walls with their excrement, and the "progressives" here are calling it art.

in which the notion of "authenticity" is examined to explain why people can be so dumb in their anti-science-back-to-nature bullshit that "we are caught in the grip of a fierce nostalgia, where the thought of contracting a disease like the measles is not something to be feared, but to be welcomed as a sign of our profound connection to nature."

The parallels with religion and "faith" are obvious.

A good read:

http://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/columnists/potter-the-rise-of-neoprimitivism

Pity they won't.

I only vaguely remember it, so someone else may correct me. And it might have been an episode of "Twilight Zone" or something.

Anyway, the plot:

1. Rich guy hates modern America, loves the idea of Old West America. When men were men etc.
2. Hires a physicist to send him back in time. Goes to sleep...
3. Wakes on a train in the Old West. Horrified to find himself surrounded by filthy unwashed people who stink. Gets to town, must wade to hotel thru mud and horse shit. Hotel overrun with vermin etc. So the good old days are not so good, and getting worse...
4. Guy gets minor cut, which gets infected. Dies because antibiotics haven't been invented yet.

Like the 18th century.... all that silk and gold, lace and jewels! So beautiful....

But Marie Antoinette may look amazing in her portraits....

But she probably has lice....her bed has bed bugs..... she's covered in scented powder and perfume because they don't bathe in winter (for good reasons actually) There are no indoor bathrooms at Versailles so the lords and ladies "caught short" are peeing in the potted pants and under the stairs...

The reality is ghastly.



( I often get "why don't they bathe?". Well think about: 1st you have to draw water from a well and carry it up to the house. Then you have to build a fire to heat it. Now, after your bath, there you are soaking wet in a house without heat and pneumonia can kill you. So...yes they do bathe in summer. And even in winter maybe once or twice....if you're wealthy enough to have all those servants you need to get the bath ready.)

guard against any danger? That's what I've hea--

Mmm... roast baby!

at that other group to figure out WTF was going on. Oh My God.

May I take this a step further and suggest that even using your own mouth to suck your own blood off you own finger isn't the smartest move. Sure, you can do it and not get an infection. But you never know what bacteria came into your mouth with that piece of lettuce that has been stuck between your teeth for who knows how long. Just don't do it, folks.

I am shocked and disgusted by this whole thing, and I agree that there would be no question on this practice except that it is all about Bronze Age/Iron Age tradition. Basically....religion.

I had no idea what this thread was about and then took a waltz over there. The first post to the thread was about being offended by the thread title. Wow. Just....wow.

Giving babies infectious diseases for absolutely no reason, meh, not so much.

Just another day in the DU Religion group. No defense of religion is too extreme. No criticism of religion is too mild.

You're not even expert in Jewish religious/medical practices. If unhealthy all Jewish people would have died out centuries ago. HA! Checkmate atheist!

Also, this is exactly how pogroms started. Learned that from noted theologian Basil Fawlty.

Double-also, can a mohel do something about this wrinkly and useless appendage...

I learn a lot of medical science that some religions don't want us to pay attention to.

I cannot imagine any progressive apologist for religion excusing this bronze age practice, but I went "over there", and I saw it in black and white on my computer screen.

We are terrible terrible people, us atheists, for having an "agenda" against religious traditions and in favor of human infant health. Horrible people we atheists must be.

all sorts of illnesses because of a religious practice that dates from 3000 years ago or more.

Don't bother to visit that "other" place that talks about religion.

Some strange people there want to allow this to continue, because... religious tradition.

The folks whose knee-jerk action is always to excuse a religious practice, no matter how atrocious, really outdid themselves on that thread.

wouldn't they lock the guy up and make him register as a 'sex offender'?

He should also be charged with reckless endangerment.

But no, because religion.

That's just wrong.

I mean, dead right there. Room temp. Ceased to be.
There is no limit to the amount of force I would employ to halt that kind of assault.


Boggles my mind that there are parents that would inflict it on their child willingly. I don't get it. Boggled.