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LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 06:26 PM Mar 2015

Where are all the normal atheists? TV’s non-believers always let me down

http://www.salon.com/2015/03/26/where_are_all_the_normal_atheists_from_smug_bill_maher_to_icy_sherlock_tvs_non_believers_always_let_me_down/

Toward the end of Tuesday night’s “CNN Special Report: Atheists: Inside the World of Non-Believers,” David Silverman, the president of American Atheists, explains why he recently launched AtheistTV: “Religion is harmful, religion is bad, religion is wrong. We can say that on AtheistTV. We can’t say it on any other network.”

But it’s the other networks that count, I thought to myself. Which matters more in the life of a gay teenager: whether Blaine and Kurt kiss on Fox’s “Glee” or whether “Bewitched” is being rerun on the Logo channel?

For years I’ve been watching for atheists—for people like me—on network TV. And I don’t mean acerbic political commentators like Bill Maher. I mean atheist characters on TV shows with mass audiences. Of course, since they don’t wear scarlet A’s, atheist characters are only identifiable if the producers are making a point.

The point so far seems to be above average IQ, below average social skills. Atheist TV characters include curmudgeons like Dr. Perry Cox (“Scrubs”), undiagnosed cases of Asperger’s syndrome like Sheldon Cooper (“The Big Bang Theory”), and misanthropes like Sherlock Holmes (“Sherlock”) and Dr. Gregory House (“House”). Typical House quote: “Rational arguments don’t usually work on religious people. Otherwise there would be no religious people.” (“House” aired on Fox, by the way, Mr. Silverman.)


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Where are all the normal atheists? TV’s non-believers always let me down (Original Post) LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 OP
True dat Cartoonist Mar 2015 #1
It could be one of two reasons from what I can figure. Curmudgeoness Mar 2015 #2
I know a lot of artists edhopper Mar 2015 #3
Who owns the media? The PTB who use religion as a tool to valerief Mar 2015 #4
Yes. LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #5
Dr. Cox is awesome. Goblinmonger Mar 2015 #6
The story arc where he lost a group of patients Rob H. Mar 2015 #7
Patience! We're depicted almost like TV gays... onager Mar 2015 #8
I kind of like the House character. Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #9
I love him. Warts and all. LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #10
Dr. Temperance Brennan OriginalGeek Mar 2015 #11
It's encouraging that atheists are portrayed at all. LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #12
I reckon that's true OriginalGeek Mar 2015 #13
Agree. I really watch out for "vintage" references to us. onager Mar 2015 #14

Cartoonist

(7,323 posts)
1. True dat
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 06:42 PM
Mar 2015

“Rational arguments don’t usually work on religious people. Otherwise there would be no religious people.”

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
2. It could be one of two reasons from what I can figure.
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 06:45 PM
Mar 2015

"Normal" atheists are not shown on TV programs because either 1) the perception is that none of us are "normal" or 2) most atheists are not outspoken about it, so we would not know if a character is an atheist if it is like real life.

edhopper

(33,624 posts)
3. I know a lot of artists
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 06:54 PM
Mar 2015

most are very well grounded, thoughtful and disciplined people.
Yet on TV and the Movies, artist are almost always half-crazed, undependable, loose canons that can't function in normal society.
And don't get me started on the genius is close to madness bullshit. The smarter people are, the better adjusted they usually are.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
6. Dr. Cox is awesome.
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 08:45 PM
Mar 2015

His leadership and real, actual concern for his patients and interns. Yeah, Bill Lawrence made him hilarious, but I think he's a good role model.

Rob H.

(5,352 posts)
7. The story arc where he lost a group of patients
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 09:24 PM
Mar 2015

because of a hasty transplant decision he made is one of my favorites of Scrubs' entire run. Yeah, he was an ass, but he was a good guy underneath.

onager

(9,356 posts)
8. Patience! We're depicted almost like TV gays...
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 03:29 PM
Mar 2015

...about 40-50 years ago.

Meaning usually we either (1) get treated as comedy relief for the normal majority; (2) get converted because we were just confused about our identities. Or (3) quietly and respectfully kill ourselves to spare society our unnatural beliefs.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
9. I kind of like the House character.
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 03:53 PM
Mar 2015

Atheists almost have to be curmudgeons and misanthropes. We live in a world full of idiots loons and con artists where the few sane people are the ones thought to be odd.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
10. I love him. Warts and all.
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 03:59 PM
Mar 2015

And Wilson was an adorable Jiminy Cricket. Note: he did not suicide, he performed a slight of hand. Religionists don't have the corner on that market.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
11. Dr. Temperance Brennan
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 05:23 PM
Mar 2015

Bones is an atheist but even she occasionally defers to Booth's catholicism or Angie's woo. She is hyper-intelligent and her atheism is sometimes the butt of the joke (often displayed as her inability to relate to the common folk) though so I guess we still haven't found a "normal" person atheist.

but I still like the show.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
12. It's encouraging that atheists are portrayed at all.
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 05:25 PM
Mar 2015

I couldn't have imagined such a thing in Madeline's day.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
13. I reckon that's true
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 05:31 PM
Mar 2015

Now that I think about it though, Michael "Meathead" Stivic may have introduced me to the possibility of there not being a god.

onager

(9,356 posts)
14. Agree. I really watch out for "vintage" references to us.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 01:45 PM
Mar 2015

One that always makes me laugh, corny as it is:

The Bob Hope movie "Bachelor In Paradise" (1961). Paradise is the name of a new suburb, Hope is trying to find it but it looks like every other other suburb in the area and he gets lost.

Hope: "Sorry I'm late. My cab driver couldn't find Paradise. He's an atheist."

Guess it cracks me up because it acknowledges our existence in 1961 America, but in context isn't mean-spirited.

Also, that movie is a gold mine for anyone interested in vintage home decorating, clothes and CARS. Everybody drives big honking 1961 Chrysler Corp. convertibles. With giant tail fins!

Bonus for Los Angelenos - you see some of the San Fernando Valley suburbs as they were being built. That Hughes supermarket was in Panorama City (a/k/a Alta Van Nuys). And Hope's house in the movie is still standing.

Yes, I am weird and have no life...

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