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Why is tolerance so difficult? (Original Post) PassingFair Sep 2015 OP
Because some people demand that their religious beliefs be treated specially. trotsky Sep 2015 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Sep 2015 #2
Good question. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #3
I find some things very uncomfortable Warpy Sep 2015 #4
Because when humans were evolving Binkie The Clown Sep 2015 #5
Like the "forager band" in... PassingFair Sep 2015 #6
Therefore a tendency to fear otherness became an ingrained part of our genetic makeup. AlbertCat Sep 2015 #7
Well... Binkie The Clown Sep 2015 #11
Because faith is fleeting. jeff47 Sep 2015 #8
Steven Pinker talks about expanding circles of altruism. AlbertCat Sep 2015 #9
I tolerate people's fantastical bullshit all the live-long day. Iggo Sep 2015 #10
Because people don't understand what tolerance really means LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #12
daring push back against the shit thrown on us on a daily basis. AlbertCat Sep 2015 #13
This. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #14
why? easy. edhopper Sep 2015 #15

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
1. Because some people demand that their religious beliefs be treated specially.
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 01:50 PM
Sep 2015

No criticism. No dismissing. No scoffing. And absolutely NO MOCKING.

In a free society, ALL IDEAS should be open to discussion, criticism, and yes, even mocking. Nothing should get a pass. But some don't want that - they want special protection of their special ideas.

Response to PassingFair (Original post)

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
3. Good question.
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 03:28 PM
Sep 2015

If it were up to me anyone who repeatedly posts homophobic statements and calls members of another minority group "vermin" would be banned from DU.

Warpy

(111,292 posts)
4. I find some things very uncomfortable
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 04:17 PM
Sep 2015

and that usually involves somebody expounding at length on religious dogma or right wing politics. Both will have me politely edging toward the exit, the former having me check my wallet first to make sure the religious expounder hasn't stolen it.

If I'm having a bad day, I might interrupt the speaker with a few uncomfortable questions in an attempt to get them to shut up or at least stomp off in disgust.

Other than that, I allow other people to be as nuts as they want, as long as they don't go into lengthy tirades about it or try to use it to limit my access to services available to them.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
5. Because when humans were evolving
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 04:34 PM
Sep 2015

in forager bands anyone not a part of the band was a danger to survival. Therefore a tendency to fear otherness became an ingrained part of our genetic makeup. Simply put, there was a time when fearing and hating anyone "different" improved your ability to survive. We simply haven't evolved much beyond that geologically very recent past. That's probably the main reason that multiculturalism doesn't work as well as we all wished it would.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
7. Therefore a tendency to fear otherness became an ingrained part of our genetic makeup.
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 05:23 PM
Sep 2015

Didn't that start when we were... fish?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
8. Because faith is fleeting.
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 05:30 PM
Sep 2015

And every single person who questions the tenants of your faith may cause the foundation to crumble.

This is especially true of literalists - prove something in their book wrong, and suddenly they have a problem. This is not as much of an issue for those that view their holy book as allegorical, since something being "wrong" is OK when you're just telling a story.

So the fundamentalist whackjobs want no one to question their faith, and force their faith on others, because the alternative is a very large risk to losing their faith.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
9. Steven Pinker talks about expanding circles of altruism.
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 05:31 PM
Sep 2015

It's an evolutionary thing.

We started out (waaaaaay back when) caring just about ourselves. Then about our offspring and (sometimes) our sexual partner(s). Then the circle widened to include the extended family. Then "fake" families like a tribe. Then bigger "fake" families like religions and countries. (you hear the family references in "brothers in arms" and "Pastor" or "Brethren and Sisteren&quot

This took millions of years. But now with rapid communications and the ability to go just about anywhere on the planet in a relatively short time, the circles are even now expanding to the different races and even animals.

I found his ideas all very interesting.

LostOne4Ever

(9,289 posts)
12. Because people don't understand what tolerance really means
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:50 AM
Sep 2015

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]In particular they don't understand that tolerating the intolerant is not tolerance...it is apathy.

Then these same people make large threads from positions of privilege to lecture us about how, if we were in their shoes, we would not survive without faith in god.

Then lecture us claiming we are wrong for daring push back against the shit thrown on us on a daily basis.[/font]

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
13. daring push back against the shit thrown on us on a daily basis.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 08:51 AM
Sep 2015

Tolerating something does not include respecting it.

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