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Soylent Brice

(8,308 posts)
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 05:47 PM Mar 2012

fucking christ

Jury duty is fucked.

The last 3 times I've been selected for jury duty here was for posts revolving around theists clearly attacking atheists. All three times the jury has voted to leave it. And 2 out of the 3 times it was a tie vote but the post is still is left.

I bring this up in here instead of meta because I think this topic clearly needs to be discussed. Why is this happening, or even how? Rules are rules. No broad brush attacks or attacks on groups. This rule still exists, right??

Can anything be done about this and how are we as a group supposed to exist here amongst purported liberals when clearly their is a staggering intolerance for non-believers?

There, I've said my peace.

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fucking christ (Original Post) Soylent Brice Mar 2012 OP
I guess that the "community standards" EvolveOrConvolve Mar 2012 #1
i know what youre referring to Soylent Brice Mar 2012 #3
Just got another one EvolveOrConvolve Mar 2012 #5
Can you please provide links of attacks on atheists Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #7
You are right, this needs discussed...and it is Curmudgeoness Mar 2012 #2
What, haven't you heard? skepticscott Mar 2012 #4
You make an excellent point. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #8
Hmmmmm, Curmudgeoness Mar 2012 #9
Without a link this post is useless. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #6
i didn't link to anything Soylent Brice Mar 2012 #10

EvolveOrConvolve

(6,452 posts)
1. I guess that the "community standards"
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 06:37 PM
Mar 2012

say that it's okay to attack an atheist, because after all, dirty atheists "deserve it" (an actual quote from a jury member early on in DU3).

I don't even bother alerting on attacks any more. They're rarely hidden, and in fact, I'm more likely to be abused by a juror than I am to get a post hidden. What's the point?

Soylent Brice

(8,308 posts)
3. i know what youre referring to
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 08:23 PM
Mar 2012

about juror comments being abusive.

Every time I get that email with the results I'm appalled at some of the comments being added. Its disheartening at best.

I don't know, I guess I'm just confused as to why this kind of treatment is being allowed.

EvolveOrConvolve

(6,452 posts)
5. Just got another one
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 08:59 PM
Mar 2012

I guess I don't learn...

I alerted when someone called me a "fucking asshole", and it was left alone. You can find it here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/121813510#post78

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Mon Mar 12, 2012, 08:56 PM, and voted 3-3 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: I'm usually inclined to leave rude arguments alone unless there's a direct insult, but implying that someone is a "fucking asshole" definitely crosses the line.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Yah, OK, it's a tiff. Next.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: Technically the poster weasels out of calling the other poster an f'ing ahole ("If you aren't... you have nothing to feel guilty about", but the post on average seems like the very definition of disruptive-rude-inappropriate-etc; even the condescension a la "Try reading what I wrote--you can, if you try real hard, figure it out" really has no place in civil discourse, IMO, although I'm 98% sure this jury will acquit because the poster didn't say F-your-mother-and-not-in-a-conditional-tense.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given

Thank you.

Starboard Tack

(11,181 posts)
7. Can you please provide links of attacks on atheists
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 10:04 PM
Mar 2012

I go there occasionally and haven't seen any. Did you read the thread EvolveOrConvolve is referring to? If so, I'd be interested in hearing your take on it.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
2. You are right, this needs discussed...and it is
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 08:01 PM
Mar 2012

discussed in H&M all the time to no avail.

I have made a point that if I have to alert on a post here in A&A, I will specific in the alert that this is a "safe haven" group, because I don't think many jurists get that.

If the post is in Religion, just forget it. They can abuse us there all day, every day. I just do not go near Religion because I have no desire to be abused. But it is a shame that people here on DU think that it is OK to be so nasty to atheists. In the outside world with all the Fundies running around, I get it....but I expect better from DU. Guess I shouldn't.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
4. What, haven't you heard?
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 08:44 PM
Mar 2012

Things are MUCH more "civil" in Religion now than they ever used to be. If you don't believe it, the Champions of Civil Discourse there will be happy to reassure you.

Starboard Tack

(11,181 posts)
8. You make an excellent point.
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 10:18 PM
Mar 2012

You don't go there, because you don't want to be abused. I wouldn't go anywhere I felt abused either. Religion is not a safe haven group. It is there for those who don't mind being bloodied and don't mind doing a little bloodying themselves. MADem made this point in the thread EvolveORConvolve referred to and, in fact, suggested there should be a safe group for Ecumenicals. Not a bad idea.
I don't think DU thinks it's OK to be nasty to anyone. Maybe I'm missing something here.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
9. Hmmmmm,
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 06:44 PM
Mar 2012

You and I both think that DU doesn't accept nastiness to others, but I see it often in some forums, and I see it being voted to leave it too often. Maybe we just don't understand. Of course, nasty is in the eye of the beholder....but if you read in Religion or Sports, to name a few, you find that it is more common than not. Sad.

I have to agree that there should be a safe haven for Ecumenicals....but that is up to them to organize it. And I would respect it.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
6. Without a link this post is useless.
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 09:14 PM
Mar 2012

However, if you are referring to the perpetual crapfest in the religion group, as far as I can tell that is where theists (one in particular) go to take potshots at atheists, and where atheists go to respond to the abuse, frequently with a tit-for-tat level of abuse in response. Like other crapfest forums, it is difficult for jurors to do anything reasonable, and to make matters worse, it is likely that partisans will be on the jury.

Soylent Brice

(8,308 posts)
10. i didn't link to anything
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 08:12 PM
Mar 2012

because i didn't want this locked or hidden.

i just wanted to bring it up and see what everyone thinks. i don't post much but i lurk all day every day. it's just become so noticeable to the point it can't be ignored.

i don't understand the point of a jury if it allows people to leave posts by theists that are attacking atheists, when under any other circumstances of any other group against any other group, attacks like that would be hidden.

i'm super-irritated by it.

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