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Related: About this forumThe text ofPZ Myers speech to Global Atheist Convention
Read the whole thing, it is very well worth it
Link and excerpts. Note to Mods and alerters, I am quoting more than 3 excerpts but as far as I am aware Prof Myers intends this speech to be widely disseminated. If Admin thinks I have it wrong please delete.
Speech Text "Sacking the City of God" at Pharyngula
I must apologize for some topic drift I came up with a title for this talk some months ago, but the as I was working on it, it
evolved. So what Im actually going to talk about today is my plan to assault heaven and kill God. You dont mind, do you?
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The most brilliant thing Christianity ever did was to take that idea of the Word, that concept of identity wrapped up in an abstract set of ideas and stories, and to open it up to everyone. Aww, Rome fell? YouÕre all alone? Here, we can help you find yourself, we can give a new meaning to your life, we have a standard that you can hold high and find unity with a greater people. Its called the Bible.
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You were probably dubious and wondering what the heck I was doing saying the Bible was powerful and important, but maybe now that Ive cited nerd god Alan Moore for the concept youll accept what Im saying.
You can kill a man, you can sack a city, but Alan Moore says you cannot kill an idea. And ideas can change the world.
Ideas can change the world.
Say it again: Ideas can change the world.
Live it: Ideas can change the world.
You can kill a man, you can sack a city, but Alan Moore says you cannot kill an idea. And ideas can change the world.
Ideas can change the world.
Say it again: Ideas can change the world.
Live it: Ideas can change the world.
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Read the pronouncements of popes and archbishops, read the newspapers and web columns, look to the priests in their pulpits, and youll see something wonderful: they are reacting to the rise of the New Atheists in the same way the Roman establishment reacted to the Visigoths appearing on the horizon. I cannot blame them for being fearful; we are galloping towards the central ideas of their identity, and we aim to tear down their walls and replace their obsolete myths with change and something more vital.
Deep in their heart of hearts, they fear that a sequel to St Augustines City of God is in the works, and its going to be written by an atheist and it will speak of a brand new world and new opportunities, it will create a new ecumene of people united under something other than the folly of faith.
Deep in their heart of hearts, they fear that a sequel to St Augustines City of God is in the works, and its going to be written by an atheist and it will speak of a brand new world and new opportunities, it will create a new ecumene of people united under something other than the folly of faith.
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Yesterday I was listening to our Christian protesters outside, and I thought, Huh. So thats what you get when you give a sheep a microphone, amplified bleating. There they were, calling on everyone to deny the richness of human experience and join the flock in the narrow boring confines of the sheep pen, so mindless they didnt even realize they were calling to the wolves.
I have a different metaphor for us, my brothers and sisters in atheism. We are not sheep; there are no shepherds here. I look out from this stage and I see 4000 pairs of hunters eyes, 4000 hunters minds, 4000 pairs of hunters hands. I see the primeval primate hunting band grown large and strong. I see us so confident in our strength that we laugh at our enemies. I see a people thinking and planning, fierce and focused, learning and building new tools to conquer new worlds.
You are not sheep. You, my brothers and sisters in atheism, are a fierce, coordinated hunting pack men and women working together, and those other bastards have cause to fear us. So lets do it: make them tremble as we demolish the city of god.
I have a different metaphor for us, my brothers and sisters in atheism. We are not sheep; there are no shepherds here. I look out from this stage and I see 4000 pairs of hunters eyes, 4000 hunters minds, 4000 pairs of hunters hands. I see the primeval primate hunting band grown large and strong. I see us so confident in our strength that we laugh at our enemies. I see a people thinking and planning, fierce and focused, learning and building new tools to conquer new worlds.
You are not sheep. You, my brothers and sisters in atheism, are a fierce, coordinated hunting pack men and women working together, and those other bastards have cause to fear us. So lets do it: make them tremble as we demolish the city of god.
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The text ofPZ Myers speech to Global Atheist Convention (Original Post)
intaglio
Apr 2012
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Rob H.
(5,351 posts)1. I don't envy you figuring out which excerpts to post
I read it earlier this morning and the whole thing is so brilliantly written it must've been really hard to choose!
intaglio
(8,170 posts)2. It was a tad troublesome
like very!
But I just looked for what seemed to combine glitter with meat
mr blur
(7,753 posts)3. A favourite chunk:
When theologians argue, they try to resolve differences by turning to murky sources remote from anything fundamental: they open their holy texts, they cite fellow theologians, they try to reinterpret words that have been reinterpreted many times before. Have you ever heard scientists argue, though? They do all the time. But they dont resolve issues by appealing to higher authorities: they dont usually argue that because Richard Dawkins said it, its settled. They dont argue that we have to parse Charles Darwins words a little more finely to arrive at the truth.
No, they say, Im going into the lab and do an experiment to test that proposition.
They say, Im going to build a new instrument to measure that and see whos right. Our only authority is reality, and thats what we test all of our inferences against. When youre studying the world, your source of information is the world.
Ill have more respect for theologians, whose object of study is god, when they actually start querying their subject directly. OK, they can start small and begin by pinning down ghosts or angels and asking them the tough questions that will eventually lead to collaring the deity, but you know, its just absurd that people who make so many assertions about the supernatural never seem to actually study supernatural sources of information.
Its almost as if they dont exist.
No, they say, Im going into the lab and do an experiment to test that proposition.
They say, Im going to build a new instrument to measure that and see whos right. Our only authority is reality, and thats what we test all of our inferences against. When youre studying the world, your source of information is the world.
Ill have more respect for theologians, whose object of study is god, when they actually start querying their subject directly. OK, they can start small and begin by pinning down ghosts or angels and asking them the tough questions that will eventually lead to collaring the deity, but you know, its just absurd that people who make so many assertions about the supernatural never seem to actually study supernatural sources of information.
Its almost as if they dont exist.
dimbear
(6,271 posts)4. For your experiments I recommend a famous text:
Pseudomonarchia Daemonorum
You can find copies many places on the net. Follow the directions rather carefully, the experiments are dangerous. You trod a weather shore.