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John Heilmann puts it bluntly: Chelsea lied. (Original Post) cali Jan 2016 OP
"How can we make our politics reflect what's best in us, not what's worst?" ram2008 Jan 2016 #1
These post are just more negative campaign that Sanders said lewebley3 Jan 2016 #238
He is becoming a joke with truth AlbertCat Jan 2016 #241
some are going from thread to thread say OH YEAH! BUT WHAT ARE YOU!?, Albertcat. :D roguevalley Jan 2016 #249
Serious projecting! AlbertCat Jan 2016 #252
It's all they have. chervilant Jan 2016 #292
The posts are merely pointing out that the Clinton campaign has resorted to outright lies. rhett o rick Jan 2016 #262
Exactly Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #247
Yeah Bjornsdotter Jan 2016 #2
What did they think? That no one was going to call her out cali Jan 2016 #7
No clue Bjornsdotter Jan 2016 #14
Hillary exploited her daughter CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #94
And if you listened closely Chelsea was breathing heavy into the mic. Left Coast2020 Jan 2016 #153
And she often cast her eyes up or to the side SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #284
She learned from some of the best. morningfog Jan 2016 #3
So the wife of a hedge fund manager and the daughter of the ultimate power guillaumeb Jan 2016 #4
Sad day in Democratic politics MissDeeds Jan 2016 #9
No the sad day in Democratic politics when a fake Democrat is allowed to run as a Democrat Tommy2Tone Jan 2016 #88
I think we know who the fake Democrat really is HERVEPA Jan 2016 #113
How do you know who is and isn't a Democrat here? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #119
Easy you just be a Democrat Tommy2Tone Jan 2016 #124
So anyone who supports Bernie is automatically no longer a Democrat? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #131
Hey Scottie MissDeeds Jan 2016 #145
I will, thanks. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #148
I think we know who belongs MissDeeds Jan 2016 #149
Must be that "purity" I keep seeing hillary supporters talking about. Bubzer Jan 2016 #211
(Inhales deeply)... dorkzilla Jan 2016 #215
Actually... AlbertCat Jan 2016 #243
I love it! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #289
You go Scottie! marew Jan 2016 #194
Scotty, WillyT and the others rock my day. roguevalley Jan 2016 #251
Thanks! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #290
I realize there are conservative 'dems' here that probably only remember as far back as roguevalley Jan 2016 #250
Wow. Well said! You gave me chills. Thanks! BigBearJohn Jan 2016 #257
you're welcome, bigbear :D roguevalley Jan 2016 #281
Brilliant. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #291
And, I think you mean that chervilant Jan 2016 #293
You're right, my bad. It's HUNDREDS of thousands! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #294
I'm stunned that there are chervilant Jan 2016 #297
After all the horrid things they said about Bernie? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #302
Do you hate what FDR did for Americans too? napi21 Jan 2016 #152
Hear, Hear! stage left Jan 2016 #260
Just gonna put this out there. If an alert comes down on you, and I'm a juror, I'm voting to hide. Bubzer Jan 2016 #210
The Clinton's and the DLC/Third way/New Democrats have done their best to destroy the Vincardog Jan 2016 #258
So, only corporatist or thirdway dems are real dems? passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #259
If this is what you have to offer MissDeeds Jan 2016 #151
Wow, you just attacked a Democrat on this forum and falsely accused them of not being a Democrat. sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #176
Well said. AllyCat Jan 2016 #222
Seriously, why are they letting Hillary run in the Democratic primary??? cui bono Jan 2016 #179
I know! tazkcmo Jan 2016 #188
Just bringing the party back Marty McGraw Jan 2016 #271
Really. I guess she took Bernies attacks on the financial industry to heart. hollowdweller Jan 2016 #39
And those attacks hit far too close to home? guillaumeb Jan 2016 #227
She apparently was not aware that Sanders meant what he said. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #277
so it would Marty McGraw Jan 2016 #269
Send it in. It definitely should be a word. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #278
She learned how to do this at the foot of the best....n/t monmouth4 Jan 2016 #5
I was watching it live, and I was surprised he called her out on it. Punkingal Jan 2016 #6
Did he actually say she lied? If so I missed it. pangaia Jan 2016 #189
At 5:12 of the item. n/t OnlinePoker Jan 2016 #200
Thanks.. pangaia Jan 2016 #239
When its a BIG one they're kinda forced to say something. nt 7962 Jan 2016 #274
Well, her perspective on life is a bit skewed since she does get the Clinton bump. Baitball Blogger Jan 2016 #8
K & R LWolf Jan 2016 #10
Of course she lied, it's in the genes tularetom Jan 2016 #11
It's nurture, not nature demwing Jan 2016 #32
Well stated. Somewhere Chelsea will pay the price, as do we all. pangaia Jan 2016 #191
When I talk about her soul demwing Jan 2016 #197
That IS a cool photo. pangaia Jan 2016 #225
Republican talking points Dem2 Jan 2016 #50
Well you know what? CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #111
The vast, vast majority of Democrats do not feel this way about the Clintons. NYC Liberal Jan 2016 #126
That surely says something. pangaia Jan 2016 #192
The "vast" when it comes to Democratic party is on the decline.... raindaddy Jan 2016 #205
Sanders has been in DC for close to 30 years, NYC Liberal Jan 2016 #229
Nothing you just stated is true other than Sander's has been in DC close to 30 years.. raindaddy Jan 2016 #242
Oh, my... chervilant Jan 2016 #295
But how do you square this with all of the lies? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #216
I don't have to square anything. NYC Liberal Jan 2016 #230
So you don't care about the lies. Others of us do. So we will stop her. Thank you. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #231
"When did you stop beating your wife?" NYC Liberal Jan 2016 #232
I'm not asking you to play a game. I'm telling you what's going to happen. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #234
Yes, the Republicans tell us this daily Dem2 Jan 2016 #156
Right...disagree and get called a Republican dorkzilla Jan 2016 #221
Get insulted for pointing out that people are angry enough to use Republican talking points Dem2 Jan 2016 #233
So the truth is a Republican talking point? LOL!!! dorkzilla Jan 2016 #236
Brilliant Dem2 Jan 2016 #237
Yes, a thesaurus is a wonderful thing. I’ll give it a go! dorkzilla Jan 2016 #240
John wins the limbo dance. nt ucrdem Jan 2016 #12
Chelsea wins liar of the day cali Jan 2016 #13
She's got public health chops and Sanders doesn't. Chelsea takes it. nt ucrdem Jan 2016 #30
Bwahaha. Chelsea has no healthcare chops. cali Jan 2016 #47
what health care chops? What anything, really? This is the problem with becoming roguevalley Jan 2016 #108
How so? Please elaborate. n/t cui bono Jan 2016 #180
This just in; Chelsea Clinton more experienced than Bernie Sanders because her last name is Clinton Bubzer Jan 2016 #213
You're factually wrong, but your silence shows you know this already. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #218
Oh? bvar22 Jan 2016 #255
well said! green917 Jan 2016 #298
I'll bet none of them expected this swift a verdict...lying. Just wow. Not a big political future. libdem4life Jan 2016 #15
So Chelsea Clinton has become a liar just like her mother. fbc Jan 2016 #16
They're a family of liars. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #129
She has to "make her bones" sometime Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #248
It's not personal, it's just business. It's the New American Aristocracy. nm rhett o rick Jan 2016 #263
Awwww. She's got her mother's lies. Gene Debs Jan 2016 #17
Her first big public lie! Remember Bill's? and Hill's Divernan Jan 2016 #20
I wonder if you can get your kid's first public lie Gene Debs Jan 2016 #79
She sure doesn't have her mother's eyes passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #261
How low will they go?... Thespian2 Jan 2016 #18
What More Should One Expect From A Clinton cantbeserious Jan 2016 #19
For those who wear a "D" on their team jacket? demwing Jan 2016 #46
Agreed cantbeserious Jan 2016 #97
Holy Crap. We are now become Joe "You Lie!" Wilson. cheapdate Jan 2016 #21
No. We are accurately calling out a bullshit lie. cali Jan 2016 #23
So was Joe Wilson, he believed. cheapdate Jan 2016 #24
And he was wrong. This is an obvious and clumsy lie. jeff47 Jan 2016 #29
Yes, but we can temper our tone cheapdate Jan 2016 #70
Not when she is being this massively insulting in her lie. jeff47 Jan 2016 #81
What would Bernie Sanders say? cheapdate Jan 2016 #106
I don't care what he would say. jeff47 Jan 2016 #202
I wasn't suggesting that you take your cues from other people. cheapdate Jan 2016 #301
:facepalm: jeff47 Jan 2016 #303
What would Bernie Sanders say? AlbertCat Jan 2016 #244
+1 stage left Jan 2016 #265
Thank you VERY much! George II Jan 2016 #82
You want better tone? That's rich. Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #286
That's what got us where we are today. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2016 #105
Civility ? Trajan Jan 2016 #159
Goodbye. cheapdate Jan 2016 #162
So how about Chelsea lying in the public sphere? That's just fine with you? cui bono Jan 2016 #182
What makes you think the Clintons are acting in good faith? passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #273
Excuse me, but screw civility when this liar is lying to deceive me and harm my candidate. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #282
Joe Wilson's gaffe was in rudely calling out the President in an inappropriate public forum. demwing Jan 2016 #57
+1 FailureToCommunicate Jan 2016 #135
Who cares what a deluded person believes? He was wrong and wrong headed cui bono Jan 2016 #181
What? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #60
I dont think you have a chnace here Hillary Lied and Chelsea lied and the video proves it INdemo Jan 2016 #141
well that apple didn't fall very far from the tree. magical thyme Jan 2016 #22
Posted to for later. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #25
Huh? cali Jan 2016 #26
Her parents sent her out with a pre fab lie to tell Armstead Jan 2016 #33
Okay. I'll view it later. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #36
That was pathetic and tragic. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #27
You called it right, Uncle Joe. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #196
Chelsea has an MA in public health from Columbia and a PhD from Oxford ucrdem Jan 2016 #28
And Ted Cruz has a law degree from Harvard. ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2016 #34
Zing. cali Jan 2016 #67
good lord this "all the same" shit is so naive. i'm embarrassed for DU. bettyellen Jan 2016 #104
you really think Sanders wants to end public health ? Armstead Jan 2016 #35
First of all degrees don't confer honesty. I believe my own ears. Chelsea lied. cali Jan 2016 #37
I believe my own ears. AlbertCat Jan 2016 #245
exactly green917 Jan 2016 #300
Or professional leftist. Dawson Leery Jan 2016 #40
Your grouping is off, she is the one that belongs with the republicans. CBGLuthier Jan 2016 #63
Bernie, on the other hand, wants to empower you and engage you in the political process demwing Jan 2016 #66
Funny that's how I feel about the unethical, lying Clinton clan. cali Jan 2016 #71
That's no way to talk about one of the Democratic forerunners Lordquinton Jan 2016 #137
Hillary Clinton in 2008: “Since When Do Other Democrats Attack Each Other on Universal Healthcare?” Loudestlib Jan 2016 #143
Play the thing again. Who you gonna believe? Chelsea or your earballs on the computer screen, Hoppy Jan 2016 #91
Moral of the story: DO NOT SPEAK AGAINST SAINT BERNARD, that's blasphemy and.... George II Jan 2016 #127
Ooor maybe "Don't tell blatant lies." Scootaloo Jan 2016 #138
Oh give me a goddamn break. WIProgressive88 Jan 2016 #140
DO NOT SPEAK AGAINST SAINT BERNARD AlbertCat Jan 2016 #246
How about "Don't fucking lie." Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #287
her intelligence and education actually makes it more likely karynnj Jan 2016 #185
Yep, couldn't agree with you more... tex-wyo-dem Jan 2016 #209
I happen to agree with her. There's no dishonesty. ucrdem Jan 2016 #299
Which makes her public lie even more blatant... tex-wyo-dem Jan 2016 #212
That you'll trust someone who was just shown to have lied to your face is kind of telling. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #220
No she didn't. Period! Sorry, Heilmann is wrong. George II Jan 2016 #31
She sure did. Lying: A Clinton family affair. Disgusting. cali Jan 2016 #42
Aren't those the two guys that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #44
Heilmann is a long time writer for New York Magazine. Unlike you I don't watch tv. cali Jan 2016 #54
She's lying through her teeth. Just like the liar who sent her out to lie. Fuddnik Jan 2016 #48
So you really believe Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #288
Disgusting post Tommy2Tone Jan 2016 #38
Lying Chelsea said he wants to dismantle Medicare. Disgraceful blatant lie. cali Jan 2016 #43
Bernie is so full of shit. Tommy2Tone Jan 2016 #49
Nope and I do. He has represented me for decades. Hilly is a documented serial liar cali Jan 2016 #58
Not nearly as full of shit as the claim that he wants to dismantle public health. Scootaloo Jan 2016 #69
+1, Sanders - "Obamacare is a good republican program", somehow that means he's all for it uponit7771 Jan 2016 #72
No he's for it until it can be replaced with something better. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #89
Olly olly ox in FREE ! Trajan Jan 2016 #161
But he's not the candidate associated with words like "Liar" and "Dishonest" DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #219
Yes. I thought Snders said he wanted to transfer everyone to Medicare underthematrix Jan 2016 #56
claiming Chelsea did not lie on this matter is blatant lying. If one does not know that - they are Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #134
Advocating Medicare for All stage left Jan 2016 #270
Disgusting. THIS is why the Clintons will lose: ZERO credibility. AzDar Jan 2016 #41
I swear.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #45
I watched Obama tonight and Bernie is no Obama. Tommy2Tone Jan 2016 #51
True. Bernie doesn't try to get the other side to like him. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #55
Right, he'll just go around them with a good heaping scoop of "revolution" which for some uponit7771 Jan 2016 #62
Vermon actually had single payer for several months Scootaloo Jan 2016 #80
You act like his election will not be honored by Democrats and he will be on his own. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #118
Many in Iowa and New Hampshire disagree with you CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #133
Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #78
Sorry, but triangulating centrists are what's wrong with the Democratic Party. marmar Jan 2016 #93
The Democratic Party has a mascot of a jackass for a REASON.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #99
Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #102
People like me??? Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #112
But you're an evil sweetheart.... Enthusiast Jan 2016 #198
That's part of my charm. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #207
I'm with you, that was shameful, as was the Catfood Commission. CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #120
He spent his first term reaching out to Republicans.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #128
Reaching out to Republicans = 3rd way Triangulating. Joe Shlabotnik Jan 2016 #142
Let's not forget the "11 dimensional chess" excuse.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #158
Bernie doesn't advocate for the TPP, so, there you go I guess. Scootaloo Jan 2016 #74
I felt like crying when I watched Chelsea and listened to her deliberate distortions of Bernie's Samantha Jan 2016 #52
Sending your daughter to do your dirty work is pretty shameful indeed. However, NorthCarolina Jan 2016 #214
Except that Hillary, the candidate, is telling the same lies. bunnies Jan 2016 #226
Bernie wants Medicare for all = Bernie wants to "dismantle" Medicare. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #53
Dear Chelsea, did your college eduction expand your mind - demwing Jan 2016 #146
Bernie Sanders: "Obamacare is a good Republican program" = Sanders wants to keep it? uponit7771 Jan 2016 #59
Yes, until it can be replaced with single payer. cali Jan 2016 #61
Exactly. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #64
I would like reality not unicorns... unicorns = the historically gerrymandered GOP congress... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #68
What does that have to do with the fact that Chelsea lied about Bernie's proposal? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #73
The fact that she didn't and knowing there's little other choices (in a reality based world) Sanders uponit7771 Jan 2016 #77
She did lie, she said he wanted to dismantle Medicare. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #84
Wait, he wants single payer and somehow we'll keep medicare!? Come on people, we can read... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #100
Medicare for all is single payer. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #103
I just heard Sanders "Obamacare is a good republican program" dig so I havne't been doing anything.. uponit7771 Jan 2016 #109
His proposal is "full of crap" because you say so? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #117
Well yes, it is druidity33 Jan 2016 #183
Bwahaha.you really don't have a clue. cali Jan 2016 #115
He wants to expand Medicare for all not dismantle it. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2016 #175
Fine, than hilly and her daughter should call him out as unrealistic,not blatantly lie cali Jan 2016 #75
It's Hillary not hilly Tommy2Tone Jan 2016 #83
Like you? pfft. cali Jan 2016 #87
Typical non Democrat Bernie fan. Tommy2Tone Jan 2016 #90
Cilly is so clever! bettyellen Jan 2016 #110
I was on the original Jury for this post (it was alerted on) kjones Jan 2016 #164
Huh? Blus4u Jan 2016 #208
Two different standards around here I guess kjones Jan 2016 #280
Because no one thinks a person who's been in congress for that long doesn't understand how the US... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #86
Neither is Hillary Lordquinton Jan 2016 #122
Chelsea did exactly that by asking how the hell it would be paid for and administered, Cilly! bettyellen Jan 2016 #107
She didnt say that INdemo Jan 2016 #144
She flat out lied, botty cali Jan 2016 #186
What's mysterious about that? It gets paid for by ttaxes and administered by states under-- eridani Jan 2016 #187
What makes anyone who knows anything about Americas government think he's going to get uponit7771 Jan 2016 #65
But it's not 2010 Bjornsdotter Jan 2016 #85
Yeah, you're right... it'll be around 2020 is before the GOP gerrymandered congress changes hands uponit7771 Jan 2016 #95
( ._.) Marty McGraw Jan 2016 #276
IIRC President Obama compared the ACA to Romneycare ... Babel_17 Jan 2016 #96
Obama didn't think it was a good "republican program" and Obama didn't think he needed a primary uponit7771 Jan 2016 #98
Well, he did compare the two Babel_17 Jan 2016 #121
Crickets or Argument Morphing? Rilgin Jan 2016 #267
I've sometimes wondered if Obama doesn't think of himself as a "good republican".. whathehell Jan 2016 #184
Might want to add some context to that Dretownblues Jan 2016 #125
Thank you! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #132
Nah Dretownblues Jan 2016 #136
Heilemann and Halperin CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #76
It's despicable because... Oilwellian Jan 2016 #92
This senior is not scared stage left Jan 2016 #275
Another 60 $ for Bernie Now with this unfair attack. $50 and 20% tip Akamai Jan 2016 #101
Yup! They accepted my 50$ donation and my 20% tip. Akamai Jan 2016 #116
Like father, like mother, like daughter GoneOffShore Jan 2016 #114
I really want to like Chelsea, but it pains me to see her let herself be used like this. Maedhros Jan 2016 #123
The one thing that you never do is hand your opponent a weapon. Loudestlib Jan 2016 #130
It would have been much different if Hillary would have used real facts but she had none INdemo Jan 2016 #139
We're going to NH,SC,Nevada,Wisc California Yeah............. INdemo Jan 2016 #147
Yeah, and it's sad. I never ever thought bad of her. closeupready Jan 2016 #150
I think it is worth noting that variations of this lie are coming from other sources too. Vattel Jan 2016 #154
Someone tell Rahm to worry about Chicago LittleBlue Jan 2016 #224
Yep Cassiopeia Jan 2016 #155
Not the first time Chelsea Clinton has parroted for her mother. seafan Jan 2016 #157
She also LIED about the 19 million. Skwmom Jan 2016 #160
Can someone please explain to me what Chelsea Clinton lovemydog Jan 2016 #163
Our forum wasn't repealed/eliminated, it was replaced with a better one Babel_17 Jan 2016 #165
I'm sorry. I don't understand lovemydog Jan 2016 #166
It's very simple, and fundamental Babel_17 Jan 2016 #170
Thanks! lovemydog Jan 2016 #172
Thanks for your patience! Babel_17 Jan 2016 #173
LOL, same here! lovemydog Jan 2016 #174
It's idiotic to assume that step one of legislating Medicare for All would be repealing things winter is coming Jan 2016 #168
Thanks for the reply. lovemydog Jan 2016 #171
Lets say that Clinton said she wants to expand Women's health care Rilgin Jan 2016 #272
What's next, "I too remember all the sniper fire and running with our heads down" ? progree Jan 2016 #167
It's a race to the bottom with the Clinton's: anything goes to win power. Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #169
Hillary looks really, really desperate when she is attacking Bernblu Jan 2016 #177
YUUUGE KICK! Segami Jan 2016 #178
Yikes. That is the first time I have ever heard Chelsea Clinton speak. pangaia Jan 2016 #190
It was surprisingly inept cali Jan 2016 #193
Axelrod said it too 'what she said was untrue'. Not fit to be prez when you send daughter out to lie ViseGrip Jan 2016 #195
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #199
Vanilla Rap has PM me four times asking how she lied? Hill bots scrambling as this is the beginning ViseGrip Jan 2016 #201
I do feel bad for Chelsea CanonRay Jan 2016 #203
Chelsea Needs Acting Lessons gordyfl Jan 2016 #204
"concern trolling" is the blunt/rude way to describe the style she employed Babel_17 Jan 2016 #283
That's True gordyfl Jan 2016 #296
Ouch! panader0 Jan 2016 #206
But Carly does it all the time, damnit! Helen Borg Jan 2016 #217
He's shocked ellie Jan 2016 #223
No one is shocked and no one thinks she's the only one. No one has cali Jan 2016 #228
"Everyone does it.." is a piss poor excuse for lack of ethics. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #235
Hillary pulled a "Palin". Using her daughter to push false rhetoric is the lowest of low. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2016 #253
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jan 2016 #254
I guess running for President now includes 3 candidates from the same family? Bernie Rocks! Yupy Jan 2016 #256
Kick!!! nt wolfie001 Jan 2016 #264
Wingnut Mark Halperin is "stunned"? uberblonde Jan 2016 #266
John Heilmann is no wing nut. Neither is Axelrod. But Chelsea is a liar just like her mom. cali Jan 2016 #268
he's been in the beltway too long and is the product of it (dad Mort was a convert from repubs CTyankee Jan 2016 #279
This is the daughter of "that depends on what the definition of 'is', is." Utopian Leftist Jan 2016 #285
It's not going to do her any good either Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #304

ram2008

(1,238 posts)
1. "How can we make our politics reflect what's best in us, not what's worst?"
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 10:21 PM
Jan 2016

-- President Obama just now at the SOTU.

We do it by not letting stuff like this slide.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
238. These post are just more negative campaign that Sanders said
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:36 PM
Jan 2016


he wouldn't do: He is becoming a joke with truth
 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
241. He is becoming a joke with truth
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:54 PM
Jan 2016

You forgot the "S"


"SHe is becoming a joke with truth"


There, fixed it for you.


And lay off the Koolaid for a while.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
292. It's all they have.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 09:00 PM
Jan 2016

"They" being the pitiable few who refuse to see how badly the Clinton campaign has stumbled in the past few days. Chelsea should have done her research before she attempted to denigrate Senator Sanders. Her deceit has hurt more than it's helped.

BTW, I saw my first political bumper sticker on my way home from work--stopped at my local market. I actually met the person driving the vehicle. He told me that his grandson is the chair of our state's Young Democrats, and "they're all supporting Bernie."

I told him I am, too, and I appreciate very much his lovely "Bernie for President 2016!" sticker.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
262. The posts are merely pointing out that the Clinton campaign has resorted to outright lies.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 04:55 PM
Jan 2016

The ACA was the first step, as we were told, and Sanders wants to go to step two. But Chelsea is telling people that Sanders wants to dismantle the ACA. In fact he wants to make it much better by getting the insurance industry out.

Those that care about the health care of the 99% should be appalled at these total misrepresentations.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
247. Exactly
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 02:34 PM
Jan 2016

THe clintons just screwed themselves

Sending Princess CLinton to do some dirty-work? Really? I trust that crowed even less now..

Making it more difficult to even be able to hold my nose and vote for her.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
7. What did they think? That no one was going to call her out
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 10:27 PM
Jan 2016

because she's the daughter of a former president and a candidate for president? She's not 12 anymore. Or perhaps they think no one will call her out because she's pregnant.

Bjornsdotter

(6,123 posts)
14. No clue
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 10:47 PM
Jan 2016

....but you would think she would be more careful. It will be replayed over and over. Hard to walk back.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
94. Hillary exploited her daughter
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:22 AM
Jan 2016

by sending her out to peddle lies, knowing that they were lies. Hillary had to know that this would put her daughter under extreme scrutiny with potential fallout if Chelsea was given a litany of bullshit to spew--which she was.

Who in the hell does that to their daughter?

Left Coast2020

(2,397 posts)
153. And if you listened closely Chelsea was breathing heavy into the mic.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:30 AM
Jan 2016

I don't know if you picked it up or not but a linguist would probably tell you that is a stress statement-meaning, because her mom is falling behind in the polls, you have to think of something verbally to say even if you know it's not true. Even if she was coached on what to say, she lies--under stress--in an attempt to derail Bernie's positions.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
284. And she often cast her eyes up or to the side
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 07:36 PM
Jan 2016

As if trying to remember her script. It was a disgusting performance.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
4. So the wife of a hedge fund manager and the daughter of the ultimate power
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 10:23 PM
Jan 2016

couple decides to show her 1% philosophy by attacking Sanders' attempts to help workers. What a shocking development.

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
9. Sad day in Democratic politics
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 10:30 PM
Jan 2016

when a Democratic candidate stoops to such fabrications. HRC is going to continue to slide and Bernie will get another money bomb as he did after the hack accusations.

Tommy2Tone

(1,307 posts)
88. No the sad day in Democratic politics when a fake Democrat is allowed to run as a Democrat
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:20 AM
Jan 2016

And why do you care? You're not a Democrat.

Tommy2Tone

(1,307 posts)
124. Easy you just be a Democrat
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:44 AM
Jan 2016

and not a Socialist Democrat. Bernie will destroy the party to follow a unicorn.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
131. So anyone who supports Bernie is automatically no longer a Democrat?
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:49 AM
Jan 2016
Easy you just be a Democrat
and not a Socialist Democrat.


You think you're qualified to kick us out of the party even when you can't get your terms straight?

Bernie is a Democratic Socialist who became a Democrat.

He's running for the Democratic nomination and thousands of Dems are supporting him.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
148. I will, thanks.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:22 AM
Jan 2016

I just wanted to see if he would actually say we don't belong anymore.

I guess he must not want our votes if Hillary wins the nomination.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
215. (Inhales deeply)...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:20 PM
Jan 2016

Smell that, BMUS? It’s the smell of desperation. His candidate is losing so he needs to attack everything and everyone that isn’t his candidate or FOR his candidate.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
243. Actually...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 02:02 PM
Jan 2016

.... it's so desperate that he's bringing up old, defunct, debunked GOP-originated smears the Clintonites tried way back at the beginning of the primary.

Didn't work back then. Why they think it will work now is beyond comprehension.

What next? Will they try the "VT is a small state" or "Bernie doesn't get black people" baloney again?

(the floundering "Bernie's a gun nut" crap has already brought up the "VT is a small state" thing again. Pitiful!)

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
250. I realize there are conservative 'dems' here that probably only remember as far back as
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 02:57 PM
Jan 2016

Ronald Reagan but calling out whether a person is a party member or not is BULLSHIT. Also, anyone who considers socialism as a bad thing tells me that they don't know what socialism is and that they probably lean more right than is typical for our party philosophy such as it is considering the third way shit storm we have suffered for thirty years. Socialism DOES NOT equal communism and only a dim bulb would equate the two.

Read up on what and who we are as Dems. We are the oldest political party in America formed around Thomas Jefferson about 1796 to protect him and his policies. Even though our name may have evolved our politics are rock solid. We aren't conservative and we embrace socialism whether we call it that or not. The next time you call a cop, send your kid to a public school, go to the library and use public roads and transportation thank a fucking socialist.

Jeez. Low information people really cheese me off.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
293. And, I think you mean that
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 09:04 PM
Jan 2016

HUNDREDS of thousands of Dems are supporting Bernie. (I'm sure you meant that, and I think the snarky person to whom you responded needs to know that HUNDREDS of thousands of Dems support Bernie.)

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
294. You're right, my bad. It's HUNDREDS of thousands!
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 09:09 PM
Jan 2016

I think he felt the Bern anyway but that needs to be emphasized!


chervilant

(8,267 posts)
297. I'm stunned that there are
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 09:45 PM
Jan 2016

HRC supporters who are excusing Chelsea's disingenuous remarks. It's just beyond pathetic.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
152. Do you hate what FDR did for Americans too?
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:30 AM
Jan 2016

Almost everything Bernie is pushing for is move America back to the days of FDR politics for the PEOPLE instead of the the big money guys. I actually see todays Dems as being the imposters, and Bernie the real Dem!

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
210. Just gonna put this out there. If an alert comes down on you, and I'm a juror, I'm voting to hide.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:07 PM
Jan 2016

You've got some very nasty garbage here.

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
258. The Clinton's and the DLC/Third way/New Democrats have done their best to destroy the
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 04:14 PM
Jan 2016

Democratic party by selling out our ideals for MONEY.
Bernie is exactly the same kind of Democrat FDR and Kennedy were.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
259. So, only corporatist or thirdway dems are real dems?
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 04:28 PM
Jan 2016

Hmmm...I've been a dem all my long life and I've never been a corporatist dem. And now we finally have a socialist dem stepping up and acting like a real dem (first time in years) and we are so excited...and you say we are not dems? I think you don't even know what a dem is supposed to be. Was FDR not a dem? He was a socialist dem, if ever there was one. And we've had a couple others as well.

I don't know...maybe you are too young to know what dems used to be, and how far the party has drifted to the right, away from what true dems are. I guess I can understand that for some younger inexperienced or historically uneducated dems.

But if you are a corporatist dem, and know you are, and are deliberately trying to eliminate true progressive dems from the party, you really should reevaluate your label. You really might be better off in the republican party.

What most corporatist dems sound like to me is just plain scared...scared they might lose their place on the money train because the people (the working class people) are furious with politics as usual and no representation in government, and the dem party drifting ever rightward, and they are rising up...and yeah, it scares the pants off you, doesn't it?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
176. Wow, you just attacked a Democrat on this forum and falsely accused them of not being a Democrat.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 03:29 AM
Jan 2016

Please provide something to back up that false accusation. We on DU know this poster. I don't recall ever seeing you before. Are YOU a Democrat?

You appear to be unfamiliar with with our Democratic process. Sanders is running, as he has every right to do in this Democracy, as a Democrat in this race. If you do not like our democratic process then go right ahead and work to change it.

I am signing up previously non-voters, Repubs and others to join OUR PARTY to vote for our Dem Candidate. Show me the LAW that prevents ANY citizen of this country from running as a candidate for ANY PARTY they choose???

The DNC has Sanders listed as a Dem candidate. Wise of them to do so since he is bringing untold numbers of people INTO a party that has LOST over 10% of its membership since 2008.

Sanders is one of the best representatives of OUR PARTY, and yes I AM A DEMOCRAT, to come along in a long time.

You owe someone a huge apology. Your attack was totally unfounded and shameful.

AllyCat

(16,218 posts)
222. Well said.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:35 PM
Jan 2016

Also a Dem here who votes Dem...especially a candidate that supports democratic ideals.

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
188. I know!
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 09:02 AM
Jan 2016

Amazing isn't it? For 8 years the candidate paraded up and down corporate America looking for support and money while ignoring the people these same corporations have been sucking dry and then has the nerve to attack single payer health care that she herself supported just seconds before she sent her daughter on stage to lie about it! That's no Democrat!

Marty McGraw

(1,024 posts)
271. Just bringing the party back
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 05:25 PM
Jan 2016

To a day of it's more principled roots. World turned upside-down when the greedy 'sliming their way to the top' insurgents of the past 30yrs get to dictate who a who are not of the true democratic belief.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
227. And those attacks hit far too close to home?
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:50 PM
Jan 2016

Intelligence runs in the Clinton family. Too bad compassion, and decency, and honesty do not.

Marty McGraw

(1,024 posts)
269. so it would
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 05:19 PM
Jan 2016

be apt to say that she made her statement 'HedgeHeartidly'

wonder if that is a real word. it probably should be.

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
6. I was watching it live, and I was surprised he called her out on it.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 10:24 PM
Jan 2016

They just usually let people lie and don't say anything.

Baitball Blogger

(46,757 posts)
8. Well, her perspective on life is a bit skewed since she does get the Clinton bump.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 10:29 PM
Jan 2016

Not many college students hop from college to their first job making $100,000 a year. I guess she still considers them the years where she had a rough go in life, so she knows all about the plight of the middle class.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
11. Of course she lied, it's in the genes
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 10:34 PM
Jan 2016

When both your parents are documented liars, what chance do you have?

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
32. It's nurture, not nature
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:48 PM
Jan 2016

having parents that lie is one thing, but watching them as they get away with those lies, and becoming fabulously wealthy and powerful as a result?

That has to make mark on a person's soul.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
191. Well stated. Somewhere Chelsea will pay the price, as do we all.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 10:45 AM
Jan 2016

In this life or the next.
Perhaps she will return as a... praying mantis, who knows.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
197. When I talk about her soul
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 11:00 AM
Jan 2016

I'm referring to that part of her psyche that is home to her moral and ethical center, but yeah, reincarnation as a bug is cool as hell!

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
111. Well you know what?
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:33 AM
Jan 2016

It's not just Republican taking points. Many, many Democrats feel this way about the Clintons. You've just demonstrated why she would a tragedy as our Democratic nominee. So many people--from all sides of the political spectrum have significant issues with them.

She'd be a loser in the GE with not enough support to cobble together a victory.

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
126. The vast, vast majority of Democrats do not feel this way about the Clintons.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:45 AM
Jan 2016

Democrats support Hillary Clinton by overwhelming margins – particularly liberal Democrats.

Bill Clinton was the most popular president in several decades. He remains incredibly popular not just in the US, but internationally as well.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
205. The "vast" when it comes to Democratic party is on the decline....
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 11:33 AM
Jan 2016

The party numbers have been eroding ever since the Dem party traded it populist roots for 3rd way politics. If you want a snapshot of where the party is at with Clinton representing it look at the national polls. People thirty and under won't bother to show up for Hillary and 60% of the nation doesn't think Hillary is trustworthy..

Sorry those are the facts....

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
229. Sanders has been in DC for close to 30 years,
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:11 PM
Jan 2016

and most people don't even know who the hell he is because he has spent that time doing jack all about anything. Look at any poll If we want an electoral blowout then we should choose Sanders as our nominee. It would be the ultimate gift to the GOP.

Hillary Clinton will decimate whichever one of the clowns the GOP decides to put up.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
242. Nothing you just stated is true other than Sander's has been in DC close to 30 years..
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:56 PM
Jan 2016

A lot of people didn't know who he was, but that has changed...

Sander's does better against Republicans than Hillary does.. So I'm not sure what poll you're looking at. In the real world Hillary's trust factor is in the tank.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
295. Oh, my...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 09:15 PM
Jan 2016

Is it cognitive dissonance that keeps you mired in these misrepresentations?

All the polls I've seen have Bernie Sanders decimating ALL the Republicans, by larger margins than those for HRC. And, lots more people know about Bernie, now. LOTS more.

Feel the Bern, NYC Liberal. Senator Sanders is a much better candidate for the next President of our nation.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
234. I'm not asking you to play a game. I'm telling you what's going to happen.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:17 PM
Jan 2016

Hillary's name is firmly associated with dishonesty. No one is going to forget that.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
233. Get insulted for pointing out that people are angry enough to use Republican talking points
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:16 PM
Jan 2016

Brilliant.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
236. So the truth is a Republican talking point? LOL!!!
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:30 PM
Jan 2016

Any criticism of Hillary gets us tarred with a label most of us consider repugnant?

Right.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
240. Yes, a thesaurus is a wonderful thing. I’ll give it a go!
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:42 PM
Jan 2016

Remarkable!
Phenomenal!
Tremendous!
Amazing!

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
108. what health care chops? What anything, really? This is the problem with becoming
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:33 AM
Jan 2016

a public person and entering the dance. She cannot be sheltered from her remarks because she is a public figure but expect dissent from that because she's still 10 for some people.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
213. This just in; Chelsea Clinton more experienced than Bernie Sanders because her last name is Clinton
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:17 PM
Jan 2016
 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
218. You're factually wrong, but your silence shows you know this already.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:25 PM
Jan 2016

Come back when you're able to answer.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
255. Oh?
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 03:18 PM
Jan 2016

*What Health-Care committees has she worked on?

*How many speeches has she made on the House or Senate floor proposing improvements to our system?

*How many bills has she sponsored or co-sponsored concerning HealthCare?

*How many public speeches has she given on the topic of Health Care?

What are these "chops" you speak of?

...Now, if Chelsea wants to give a speech about marrying into Goldman-Sachs,
THERE she has some "chops".

green917

(442 posts)
298. well said!
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 09:47 PM
Jan 2016

Couldn't have said it better myself! My immediate question about all of this when i heard it was, "why the hell should the American people listen to anything chelsea clinton has to say about policy? She's barely out of college, has held no political office, and just got her 1st major job (for a hedge fund that has a vested interest in making sure senator sanders doesn't become our next president)...in short, she doesn't have any chops.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
15. I'll bet none of them expected this swift a verdict...lying. Just wow. Not a big political future.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 10:48 PM
Jan 2016
 

fbc

(1,668 posts)
16. So Chelsea Clinton has become a liar just like her mother.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:07 PM
Jan 2016

Do they not realize the people of Iowa are going to see through this and it is going to backfire on them?

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
129. They're a family of liars.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:46 AM
Jan 2016

I know I'm just stating the obvious, but it looks really stark to type the words out, and then to consider that lots of Hillaryites are conducting daily loyalty oaths, making sure we'll vote for this person. I don't think they understand how little use I have for liars.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
20. Her first big public lie! Remember Bill's? and Hill's
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:29 PM
Jan 2016

Brings a tear to the eye doesn't it? One generation of lying Clintons passing the torch to the next generation! We are all truly honored to be present at this historic moment!

What about a fund raising album of Clintons' Greatest Lies!

Who could ever forget, "I did not have sex with that woman."? Or the always appropriate, "Who you gonna believe baby? Me or your lying eyes?"

Or where you were when you saw the video of Hillary talking about landing in Bosnia under sniper fire?

And how our hearts stopped when Hillary said Chelsea Clinton was jogging around the World Trade Center on 9/11.

The nation mourned when she told us her family was dead broke when they left the White House.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
261. She sure doesn't have her mother's eyes
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 04:51 PM
Jan 2016

Did you see that sad face and those big puppy dog eyes? She doesn't have the tough (cold) presentation that her Mom has. Is that what they are trying to sell by putting her on the stand...oh sweet little Chelsea...she loves her mama and is only trying to help her.

Geeze...she doesn't even have the chops to be accurate or forceful in addressing a crowd. She will never be a politician...but she's trying. Oh how she's trying. Don't give up your day job Chelsea.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
46. For those who wear a "D" on their team jacket?
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:57 PM
Jan 2016

We should expect integrity and honesty.

It really pisses me off that Bernie is considered an anomaly. In a better world, Bernie would just be another progressive wave in an ocean of people of outstanding character.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
29. And he was wrong. This is an obvious and clumsy lie.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:45 PM
Jan 2016

You do realize that we aren't actually supposed to strive for truthiness, right?

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
70. Yes, but we can temper our tone
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:11 AM
Jan 2016

when speaking in the public sphere. It's called civility. Civility and civil discussion has left the room when "Liar" comes in. Civility (in the public sense of "civil&quot doesn't require much, it doesn't require politeness, but it does require at a minimum the presumption that all parties to the discussion are acting in good faith toward the same end, which is the betterment of society. "Liar" is the end of civility.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
81. Not when she is being this massively insulting in her lie.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:16 AM
Jan 2016

This lie is obvious, blatant, and requires believing everyone listening to her is an utter moron. And she's got a masters in public health, so she has to know she is lying.

These actions do not deserve soft rhetoric.

but it does require at a minimum the presumption that all parties to the discussion are acting in good faith toward the same end

And with a lie this clumsy and blatant, it is obvious that this is not the case.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
106. What would Bernie Sanders say?
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:32 AM
Jan 2016

From how I've heard him handle himself in the past, he'd say she spoke carelessly and was obviously ignorant of the facts. Bernie is a good example of civility. He is an example of what I mean that civility doesn't require deference or even politeness. But it does require a recognition of multiple points of view.

What normally happens to discussions on DU when "liar!" is brought in? A good chance of an alert and a hide. Why is it that "liar" is un-civil in one-on-one discussions here, but perfectly okay when talking about Chelsea Clinton or Jane Sanders?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
202. I don't care what he would say.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 11:21 AM
Jan 2016

Believe it or not, I'm capable of forming thoughts and opinions without the aid or approval of someone in a leadership position.

Civility is not a one-way street. These lies are a lack of civility, and do not deserve to be met with civility.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
301. I wasn't suggesting that you take your cues from other people.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 10:09 PM
Jan 2016

Only that Bernie Sanders exemplifies civility and statesmanship.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
303. :facepalm:
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 10:50 AM
Jan 2016

Really? You weren't suggesting I take my cues from other people when you posted that I should take my cues from Sanders?

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
286. You want better tone? That's rich.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 08:02 PM
Jan 2016

So flip this. Sanders sends someone out that flat out lies about a position of Clinton. How do you respond?

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,335 posts)
105. That's what got us where we are today.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:31 AM
Jan 2016

Politicians and their surrogates go on TV and tell bald faced lies. The media is too "polite" and "civilized" to call them on their bull shit. 23% of the population is fence-post stupid and will believe the lies.

Forget that. Call them on their lies.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
182. So how about Chelsea lying in the public sphere? That's just fine with you?
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 05:16 AM
Jan 2016

THAT was the end of civility. And if what you say is true then she is rightfully being called a liar since she ended civility.

Civility either ends when it actually ended or what you are saying means nothing. You can't make that statement and not think it ended when she lied publicly.

.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
273. What makes you think the Clintons are acting in good faith?
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 05:29 PM
Jan 2016

When they deliberately lie about Sander's positions, they are not.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
282. Excuse me, but screw civility when this liar is lying to deceive me and harm my candidate.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 06:50 PM
Jan 2016

I have nothing against you personally, but I don't plan to be civil to the Clinton campaign. To the extent my civility ever existed, it died this morning when I read the news.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
57. Joe Wilson's gaffe was in rudely calling out the President in an inappropriate public forum.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:02 AM
Jan 2016

How the hell is that remotely like anything that's gone on here? Frankly, your post is ridiculous.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
181. Who cares what a deluded person believes? He was wrong and wrong headed
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 05:14 AM
Jan 2016

in yelling 'liar". And he did it in a formal setting.

How on earth can you possibly think that calling someone who is actually lying, and obviously knowingly since she is a smart woman, a liar? That is just stating a fact. It is not yelling "liar" at POTUS who is speaking at a formal and televised event just because you think you disagree with him but in fact you would say that no matter what POTUS said.

Why are you defending someone who lies? Is that what you want to see more of? Lying about other candidates?

.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
141. I dont think you have a chnace here Hillary Lied and Chelsea lied and the video proves it
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:02 AM
Jan 2016

not many ways you can twist this around to prove otherwise.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
33. Her parents sent her out with a pre fab lie to tell
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:49 PM
Jan 2016

Not a good thing. Whatever happens in the future will still be a lie.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
37. First of all degrees don't confer honesty. I believe my own ears. Chelsea lied.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:51 PM
Jan 2016

Just like her lying parents. Disgraceful.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
245. I believe my own ears.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 02:22 PM
Jan 2016

Besides, Chelsea's degrees should imply she knows she's lying....

it just makes it worse.

green917

(442 posts)
300. exactly
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 09:52 PM
Jan 2016

The fact that she has a degree in a relevant subject just shows that she knew she was lying (as if her body language didn't cover that already).

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
66. Bernie, on the other hand, wants to empower you and engage you in the political process
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:08 AM
Jan 2016

so that together, we can make this country better, safer, and more economically and civilly just.

Me, I'm not so fucking nice.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
137. That's no way to talk about one of the Democratic forerunners
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:54 AM
Jan 2016

And comparing those two belies your own ignorance.

Loudestlib

(980 posts)
143. Hillary Clinton in 2008: “Since When Do Other Democrats Attack Each Other on Universal Healthcare?”
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:13 AM
Jan 2016

n/t

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
91. Play the thing again. Who you gonna believe? Chelsea or your earballs on the computer screen,
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:21 AM
Jan 2016

She fuckin' lied.

George II

(67,782 posts)
127. Moral of the story: DO NOT SPEAK AGAINST SAINT BERNARD, that's blasphemy and....
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:46 AM
Jan 2016

....will get you condemned by the DU swarm/masses.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
138. Ooor maybe "Don't tell blatant lies."
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:55 AM
Jan 2016

shocking concept for some around here, but it actually works pretty well.

WIProgressive88

(314 posts)
140. Oh give me a goddamn break.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:58 AM
Jan 2016

Legitimate criticism is fine. Chelsea did not offer legitimate criticism; she lied. You're smart enough to know the difference.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
246. DO NOT SPEAK AGAINST SAINT BERNARD
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 02:26 PM
Jan 2016

Oh please.


stop projecting your anointed heroine worship onto those of us concerned about issues, and not name recognition.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
287. How about "Don't fucking lie."
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 08:04 PM
Jan 2016

Because if you do, you're going to get called a fucking liar. The good news in that moral, though, is that if you do lie and are Clinton's daughter all kinds of people will defend you to their last breath rather than say it was a shitty thing to do. So there's that.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
185. her intelligence and education actually makes it more likely
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 08:37 AM
Jan 2016

She knows this is untrue.

I am stunned HRC'S team asked her to do this. It is a waste of a very valuable resource. That said both she and her mom should have had the sense and grace to see this as something they should not do and not have any of her people do.

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
209. Yep, couldn't agree with you more...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:04 PM
Jan 2016

Stupid, stupid, stupid move by the Clinton campaign. They've taken, as you so well put it, a "valuable resource" and in one fell swoop wasted it. And the tragedy is Chelsea's reputation is, forevermore, soiled.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
299. I happen to agree with her. There's no dishonesty.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 09:51 PM
Jan 2016

Where has Sanders expressed interest in sustaining the ACA? Because I think we both know that it isn't going to survive ten minutes in any administration that doesn't make protecting it a top priority.

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
212. Which makes her public lie even more blatant...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:12 PM
Jan 2016

And tragic. With that educational background, she should (sans work and life experience) close to an expert in public health. I'm sure she took more than one course in public health policy, so she knew what she said was not accurate or truthful.

Really stupid, stupid move by the Clinton campaign.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
220. That you'll trust someone who was just shown to have lied to your face is kind of telling.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:28 PM
Jan 2016

Not even kind of telling--very telling.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
42. She sure did. Lying: A Clinton family affair. Disgusting.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:54 PM
Jan 2016

And it's going to backfire in a big way.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
288. So you really believe
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 08:06 PM
Jan 2016

that Sanders wants to dismantle ACA and leave people with no option for health care? Really? You think that's what single payer does? Or do you think that Sanders isn't pushing for single payer? Because it's either one of those things or she's a liar. Hint: she's a liar.

Tommy2Tone

(1,307 posts)
38. Disgusting post
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:52 PM
Jan 2016

First using a couple of Republicans to make a point. Then calling Chelsea a liar and saying she learned from the best. Chelsea did not lie Bernie does want to blow up the ACA and replace it with something that will never happen.

He said this on Sundays Meet the Press.

Bernie Sanders said, “I want to move from” Obamacare Sunday on “Meet the Press.”


All Chelsea did was tell the crowd what Sanders has been saying and your hatred won't make that a lie.
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
43. Lying Chelsea said he wants to dismantle Medicare. Disgraceful blatant lie.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:56 PM
Jan 2016

It runs in the family.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
89. No he's for it until it can be replaced with something better.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:21 AM
Jan 2016

As am I, it's a bandaid on a bullet hole - better than nothing but it won't save the patient.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
219. But he's not the candidate associated with words like "Liar" and "Dishonest"
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:27 PM
Jan 2016

I can document several of Hillary Clinton's lies.
You can't document any Sanders lies; you're left with empty phrases like "full of shit" with nothing to back it.

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
56. Yes. I thought Snders said he wanted to transfer everyone to Medicare
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:01 AM
Jan 2016

This is from Bernie's website: I took the two most relevant

Medicaid: Until comprehensive universal healthcare is passed, we must expand and improve the Medicaid program.

Medicare: We must expand “Medicare for All” by creating a single-payer health-care system for every American.

I think what Bernie misses here is the process of going to what he calls modest steps by Obamacare to a universal single payer healthcare system.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
134. claiming Chelsea did not lie on this matter is blatant lying. If one does not know that - they are
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:53 AM
Jan 2016

not capable of living in the world of reality. Claiming she did not lie is an outrageous lie as the lie itself. The only way one can say that she did not lie and are not lying themselves when they make that absurd claim is if they are not capable of processing reality.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
45. I swear....
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:57 PM
Jan 2016

The lesson Camp Clinton learned in 2008 was they lost to Obama because they didn't go negative in time and now they plan to "take out Bernie" early,....but it might be too late.

........sheeze......

uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
62. Right, he'll just go around them with a good heaping scoop of "revolution" which for some
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:05 AM
Jan 2016

.... reason he couldn't gen up even in his home state not less have the energy to gin up around DC.

Sanders isn't the leader he's called others to be

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
80. Vermon actually had single payer for several months
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:16 AM
Jan 2016

The state legislature couldn't keep it funded, for assorted reasons, and it was discontinued.

You know, you could look stuff like this up.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
133. Many in Iowa and New Hampshire disagree with you
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:51 AM
Jan 2016

The people in the states where Bernie's campaign is in full force, think Bernie is a fabulous leader. In fact, the more they get to know Bernie, the more they want him to become the next President of the United States.

Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #55)

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
99. The Democratic Party has a mascot of a jackass for a REASON....
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:25 AM
Jan 2016

It was to symbolize the we were stubborn and couldn't be budged an inch.

That's a tradition to be proud of.

Putting Social Security on the table for some "grand bargain" is not in keeping with that tradition.

Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #99)

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
128. He spent his first term reaching out to Republicans....
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:46 AM
Jan 2016

He believes they will do what's right for the good of the country but it's only now starting to sink in that Republicans don't CARE about what's good for the country.

They're more interested in keeping the mythology of the Reagan Era alive.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
52. I felt like crying when I watched Chelsea and listened to her deliberate distortions of Bernie's
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:59 PM
Jan 2016

health care insurance plan. I remember when she was just a young child, and her mother was so protective of her when they lived in the White House. She wanted her daughter to have as normal a life as possible. And the press tried to accommodate those wishes. Unfortunately, the protective, nurturing instinct a mother has for a child, even when that child has become an adult, failed to hold in the Clinton household. And it truly pained me to see Chelsea making the same gestures as her Mom as she spoke, delivering a disingenuous picture of Bernie Sanders' plans for our future healthcare services.

I am very serious here -- this is not political.

The painful thing is obviously the Sanders' campaign would correct the record on the Senator's plans to redesign our health care programs into a single-payer Medicare for all plan. So what was the point of the lie?

I immediately thought of this man:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/03/hillary-clinton-mark-penn-2016

I have no link, no clues, no inside information. When I asked myself, "Who exactly is capable of such a stupid, appalling idea of asking Chelsea to step out and lie about Senator Sanders' policies, I immediately had a suspect. This was the type of lie designed to instill fear into those planning on voting for Senator Sanders because to do so would put their health care best interests at risk. These types of elements: lying, instilling fear into voters and doing so calmly without flinching are hallmarks of Mark Penn's work. It appears to me his fingerprints are all over this.

So perhaps he doesn't formally work for the Hillary Clinton campaign this time around (did you read that link?) except to advise her on polling, but considering the history of the relationship, I do believe he is the one Hillary might consult if she were desperate. She just might feel desperate since the MSM is now all over the place saying she just might lose in both Iowa and New Hampshire, and that just might prod her to listen to Penn's ideas....

I just have a hard time believing Hillary Clinton for her own self-serving reasons allowed Chelsea to step out and lie to the American people. I saw the video but could not believe it. And it is a real shame.

Sam

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
214. Sending your daughter to do your dirty work is pretty shameful indeed. However,
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:19 PM
Jan 2016

it DOES give the Clinton campaign a bit of an out because they can certainly claim that Hillary, the candidate, didn't make the charges but rather Chelsea who, not being a politician herself, simply got things a little mixed up. A seasoned politician always leaves themselves an out, ie plausible deniability, just in case things go south as it appears to have happened here.

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
226. Except that Hillary, the candidate, is telling the same lies.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:49 PM
Jan 2016

"His plan would take Medicare and Medicaid and the Children's Health Insurance Program [CHIP] and the Affordable Care Act health-care insurance and private employer health insurance and he would take that all together and send health insurance to the states, turning over your and my health insurance to governors," Hillary Clinton said Monday. "I don't believe number one we should be starting over. We had enough of a fight to get to the Affordable Care Act. So I don’t want to rip it up and start over."

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/01/12/fighting-dirty-clintons-inflammatory-distortion-sanders-single-payer-plan

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
53. Bernie wants Medicare for all = Bernie wants to "dismantle" Medicare.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:59 PM
Jan 2016

Yep, that qualifies as a lie.

Sounds like something a Republican would say, it's a shame Bernie's getting fragged by a Democrat.

uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
59. Bernie Sanders: "Obamacare is a good Republican program" = Sanders wants to keep it?
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:04 AM
Jan 2016

50 secs into the video

"I am for single payer,.... Obamacare is a good republican program"

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/09/24/bernie-sanders-obamacare-is-a-good-republican-program/

uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
68. I would like reality not unicorns... unicorns = the historically gerrymandered GOP congress...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:10 AM
Jan 2016

... has to pay a bit of attention to Sanders, Jesus, Giah, America, the world...

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
73. What does that have to do with the fact that Chelsea lied about Bernie's proposal?
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:11 AM
Jan 2016

I want single payer healthcare.

What you and I want is irrelevant to the topic at hand.

uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
77. The fact that she didn't and knowing there's little other choices (in a reality based world) Sanders
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:13 AM
Jan 2016

... isn't promoting something better.

Somehow "Obamacare is a good republican program" means he's all for it...

Kinda like "its time Obama face a primary challenge" means he's all for Obama...

I've said it over and over again at the root of Sanders campaign is disdain for Obama

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
84. She did lie, she said he wanted to dismantle Medicare.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:18 AM
Jan 2016

Disdain for Obama has nothing to do with Bernie's politics.

He's fighting for single payer, social security, veteran's benefits and other programs that we need, he doesn't have time to worry about whose feelings get hurt in the process.

He doesn't pussyfoot around, that's one of the reasons why I support him.

uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
100. Wait, he wants single payer and somehow we'll keep medicare!? Come on people, we can read...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:28 AM
Jan 2016

...

We need single payer does NOT mean keep medicare around
Obama care is a good republican program does NOT mean I support Obamacare
Obama needs a primary challenge does NOT mean he supports Obama

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
103. Medicare for all is single payer.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:29 AM
Jan 2016

You guys have been attacking his proposal for months and you still don't know the details?

uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
109. I just heard Sanders "Obamacare is a good republican program" dig so I havne't been doing anything..
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:33 AM
Jan 2016

... of the sort for months.

and the proposal is full of crap cause hows he going to get that past a historically gerrymandered GOP congress!?!?!

It's like people are whistling past the grave yard!!!

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
117. His proposal is "full of crap" because you say so?
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:36 AM
Jan 2016

Please elaborate in detail why you believe it's "crap".

druidity33

(6,446 posts)
183. Well yes, it is
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 07:50 AM
Jan 2016

The ACA is nigh on identical to what we here in MA call "Romneycare", which is i believe where most of the proposals for the ACA came from. IOW, it was legislation signed into law by Romney. Keep in mind however that not ALL Republican legislation is bad (that's a more recent occurrence)... after all, what about the National Parks Service and the EPA?



Hassin Bin Sober

(26,335 posts)
175. He wants to expand Medicare for all not dismantle it.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 03:16 AM
Jan 2016

I suppose if it makes you feel better we can keep Medicaid and chip. But we won't need them if everyone is covered under Medicare.

Flood Medicare with healthy premium paying bodies. Take out the 30-40% of overhead and profit collected by dozens of individual insurance companies all duplicating efforts.

I've been paying, one way or another, in to private insurance but have never used it for much. As soon as I get old and start needing care I'll get pawned off to Medicare.

The current model is beyond ridiculous. I'd rather pay in to a system that I have a lifetime of support when I need it. Not, thanks for 40 years of premiums now go see Uncle Sam when you really get sick.

kjones

(1,053 posts)
164. I was on the original Jury for this post (it was alerted on)
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 02:37 AM
Jan 2016

Was in the middle of reading something when I first got it, took too long Wanted
to share my observations anyway because I'm going to begin voluntary full transparency
of all the Jury stuff I do. Something to do at least.

I believe the alerter said your post was "childish" and "playground" and below the standards
of DU.

What should have posted in whole...
========
"This alert seems unnecessary, as it is well under the threshold that has been the standard around here. Many of
Cali's own posts throughout this thread are on the same level as this post. I say that as evidence for the "if you can dish it, you can take it test." For example, the post(s) of Cali's that would seem to have brought this "cilly" about is when Cali (above this post) states:

"Fine, than hilly and her daughter should call him out as unrealistic,not blatantly lie" -Cali, post 75

Ellen's "cilly" (if used as the alerter implies) is a direct allusion to Cali's use of "hilly."
Further, if ellen's post is "childish" and "playground" (which would seem to already label it benign),
then so were Cali's earlier remarks. The post also isn't an obvious breach of the "disruptive,
hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate" standard by any REASONABLE
definition of those words. By both the standards of this thread, and of DU as a whole, this is the
type of thing that people regularly let pass. So, since it didn't come out of nowhere, it is not beyond
the tone of the rest of the comments (including Cali's own), and by the "dish it, take it" standard, I
vote to ignore it.

kjones"
=============

kjones

(1,053 posts)
280. Two different standards around here I guess
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 06:27 PM
Jan 2016

But if you think I'm not fair, then I suppose you can always
blacklist me...
Really though, if "childish" is the primary descriptor of the
offense to which someone alerts, it's probably a hint that
alerting on it is childish too, or at very best, weak.

I could be like others I suppose, and just vote based on
whether or not someone is a Bernie/Hillary person...with
no explanation or analysis...since that seems to pass for
"fair" around here lately. Actually, I had kind of wanted to
change my avatar to Bernie, just to see what kind of
reaction I'd get. Instead of your reaction ("What a load"
...not exactly insightful analysis...maybe incite-ful though),
I'd probably get something along the lines of "traitor" or
something. Or hell, maybe people would just see
"Bernie" and knee-jerk accept what I said (like how
you probably saw "H>" and assumed an attitude).

This is what transparency is for though, now you'll be able
to see all the times I let Bernie folks go for the same kind of
things. Because, personally, all these "no comment" rulings
are getting pretty stupid, and I think the jury system
should be open and transparent.

uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
86. Because no one thinks a person who's been in congress for that long doesn't understand how the US...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:19 AM
Jan 2016

... congress works or the ramifications of the 2010 midterms and the historically gerrymandered GOP congress.

Sanders isn't going to get the GOP to listen to them cause he got 2 trillion people to call their GOP congress person

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
122. Neither is Hillary
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:42 AM
Jan 2016

In fact, they will do all they can to mire her in 24/7 hearings, did you not think this line of argument through?

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
107. Chelsea did exactly that by asking how the hell it would be paid for and administered, Cilly!
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:32 AM
Jan 2016

eridani

(51,907 posts)
187. What's mysterious about that? It gets paid for by ttaxes and administered by states under--
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 08:51 AM
Jan 2016

--national standards. Anyone who prefers paying a $800/month "premium" to a $200/month "tax" shouldn't be running around outside without adult supervision.

uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
65. What makes anyone who knows anything about Americas government think he's going to get
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:08 AM
Jan 2016

... single payer past the historically gerrymandered GOP congress who don't even have to listen to the people who voted FOR them!?!?!?

Does anyone understand the ramifications of 2010 midterms?!!?

Bjornsdotter

(6,123 posts)
85. But it's not 2010
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:19 AM
Jan 2016

It's 2016 and changes are moving faster than they ever have before. Who would have thought in 2008 that marriage equality would be legal in a relatively short period of time.

Change happens with taking the first step. All we can do is try.

uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
95. Yeah, you're right... it'll be around 2020 is before the GOP gerrymandered congress changes hands
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:23 AM
Jan 2016

... so no its not 2010 and the GOP knows they can burn down a pediatric oncology ward on prime time TV and still get voted into congress because the way the gerrymandering works.

They can literally invite Isis to negotiate taking over Sanders house in VT and still get into congress because the way it was gerrymandered.

Why people think Sanders is full of crap is cause he's been in congress too long not to know how this kind of gerrymandering works

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
96. IIRC President Obama compared the ACA to Romneycare ...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:23 AM
Jan 2016

IIRC even President Obama compared the ACA to Romneycare so people would get the vibe it wasn't some radical invention.

It was pretty much a talking point for Clinton as well, not to mention our party as a whole. Not being able to get much past that was a bone of contention at the time.

uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
98. Obama didn't think it was a good "republican program" and Obama didn't think he needed a primary
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:24 AM
Jan 2016

.... challenge either.

Berniacs aren't going to convince anyone that either Sanders statements were of support...

They weren't

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
121. Well, he did compare the two
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:41 AM
Jan 2016

He implied it was good (it's the same), and "it was a Republican idea".


Rilgin

(787 posts)
267. Crickets or Argument Morphing?
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 05:15 PM
Jan 2016

I really appreciate this last post because it is rare that you can totally wreck a talking point.

The person above was using an inauthentic talking point in attacking the statement of the ACA being a republican solution to our health care issues. He then based that argument on a statement that it was realy an attack by Bernie on Obama.

Here you have wrecked both legs of that argument at the same time by showing that Obama intentionally used a Republican solution.

So the only question is what will the person do when his argument runs into such an imposing brick wall. Usually I see they respond by having their argument morph into something else but I do not really see how he can get out of the box he painted. Waiting in total suspense on whether his argument morphs or whether we will only hear crickets as he moves to another thread and uses the same argument that he used in this thread.

The only guarantee is that the next thread that is on these issues, he will again deny that the ACA was based on the long term Republican solution to health care running all the way back to Nixon.

whathehell

(29,090 posts)
184. I've sometimes wondered if Obama doesn't think of himself as a "good republican"..
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 08:22 AM
Jan 2016

He did say that "In the Eighties I would have been considered a moderate Republican". He's done some good things and I like him

personally, but he's not the best Democrat, especially on labor and economic issues.

Dretownblues

(253 posts)
125. Might want to add some context to that
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:45 AM
Jan 2016

He called it a good Republican bill because it was based on Romney's bill in MA. He has said several times that he think obamacare is a good first step and would like to move to a single payer system, but never has he said he would repeal any of the programs mentioned. So please stop with the misinformation and also instead of supporting the lies coming out of the Clinton camp, you should stand up and condem them. Clinton supports love to talk about Sanders supports being hypocrites, yet when presented with a chance to lies coming from the Clinton camp, looks like they are just as hypocritical as the people they like to denounce.

Dretownblues

(253 posts)
136. Nah
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:54 AM
Jan 2016

Not for the Clinton's or their supporters I guess. Don't you love the double standard though, they say we will follow Bernie anywhere, but when the Clinton's pull something dirty like this, their supporters continue with the lie.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
76. Heilemann and Halperin
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:13 AM
Jan 2016

were both in Ankeny, Iowa last Sunday at Bernie's big rally. This was s pretty exciting rally with 900 very enthusiastic Bernie supporters. Lots of screaming, cheering. This is also the rally where people were mobbing Bernie and climbing over chairs to get to him.

H&H were both in the room when Bernie spoke to the precinct captains, as well.

Can't help but wonder if H&H are feeling the Bern? I'm sorry, but experiencing Bernie's crowds and enthusiasm is very impressive and contagious. It's been happening for a while now without the media.

Maybe Bernie will get fair coverage now. It really is an interesting story and so are Bernie's supporters. We climb over chairs, man!

Also--Heilemann and Halperin wrote, "Game Change" about the 2008 race and "Double Down" about the 2012 race. Maybe they're scoping out the landscape for a third book? Bernie's rise to the presidency would be an incredible story to tell!

 

Akamai

(1,779 posts)
101. Another 60 $ for Bernie Now with this unfair attack. $50 and 20% tip
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:29 AM
Jan 2016

I will let you know if I can contribute.

 

Akamai

(1,779 posts)
116. Yup! They accepted my 50$ donation and my 20% tip.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:36 AM
Jan 2016

I sure am not wealthy but Bernie is critical to saving us, to saving the planet, etc.

Go Bernie!!!

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
123. I really want to like Chelsea, but it pains me to see her let herself be used like this.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:42 AM
Jan 2016

Stump for your mother? No problem. Attack her opponent with distortions and untruths? Ugh.

Loudestlib

(980 posts)
130. The one thing that you never do is hand your opponent a weapon.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:47 AM
Jan 2016

The GOP will use this even if it's not true.

Good Job!

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
139. It would have been much different if Hillary would have used real facts but she had none
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:57 AM
Jan 2016

and she was all over the place. Clearly she was nervous. And Chelsea ..well she certainly wasn't prepared and she was saying a "Republican repeal of Obamacare with a Democrats help ?WTF was she talking about? Strip away insurance, bundle it up and turn it over to the States?
D E S P E R A T I O N No Doubt

Guess what though folks Bill 's next and we will probably here his Bull Shit tomorrow.

Thanks for this post
Great Work Cali

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
147. We're going to NH,SC,Nevada,Wisc California Yeah.............
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:21 AM
Jan 2016

I have a great idea, give Chelsea the reins and let her give the scream speech.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
150. Yeah, and it's sad. I never ever thought bad of her.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:28 AM
Jan 2016

I might have been amused by stuff like her interview with the GEICO chameleon, and other stuff, but this is the wrong fork in the road, IMHO.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
154. I think it is worth noting that variations of this lie are coming from other sources too.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:34 AM
Jan 2016

For example:

"I think Barack Obama believes that it is incredibly important that Hillary Clinton succeeds him," said a former close aide to Obama who is still connected with the White House. "The only way that we have an economy where people aren't losing their health care is if Hillary Clinton becomes president."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511000918

seafan

(9,387 posts)
157. Not the first time Chelsea Clinton has parroted for her mother.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:50 AM
Jan 2016
When asked in 2008 whether her mother had any remorse for her Iraq war vote, we remember her answer.


The attacks against Sanders are getting uglier by the minute, in the face of new polling over the past couple of days.

Hillary Clinton’s Lead Over Bernie Sanders Slipping in New Poll, January 12, 2016

Poll: Sanders cutting close to Clinton nationally, January 12, 2016

Bernie Sanders Takes Slim Lead Over Hillary Clinton in New Iowa Poll, January 12, 2016

Poll: Sanders leads Clinton by 14 in New Hampshire, January 12, 2016


Buckle up.



lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
163. Can someone please explain to me what Chelsea Clinton
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 02:23 AM
Jan 2016

said that is untrue. From what I heard she was saying that she fears Sanders would assist republicans in repealing the Affordable Care Act. I'd appreciate a sincere response containing who what when why and how, without shorthand or sarcasm. Thanks in advance.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
165. Our forum wasn't repealed/eliminated, it was replaced with a better one
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 02:39 AM
Jan 2016

Or you can say a better one was built on its structure, keeping its important features, and improving where it counted most.

So, no "Ack, the administrators are pulling the plug on DU, they've allied with the Republicans!".

Heeding Chelsea would make you think Sanders was scuttling the ACA. Obama himself said the ACA was a start.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
170. It's very simple, and fundamental
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 02:59 AM
Jan 2016

Sanders isn't going to help Republicans by doing away with affordable care. The analogy I made is that it's same as the administrators not doing away with our forums, they just made them much better.

I think Chelsea knows this, and going by early reactions from the media, it seems she drastically overplayed her hand. You aren't going to see the press agreeing that Sanders plans to do away with affordable insurance.

There's another way to characterize knowingly speaking a falsehood. But I'm keeping it polite.

It's very simple, but if the Clinton campaign, and their supporters, want to claim that Sanders will work with Republicans to do away with affordable insurance/healthcare, then please go right ahead. I'll kick any such threads here at DU as I think it's important for people to see such claims. Just like we want people to see Chelsea's video. Let the people judge if this is somehow complicated, or rather a matter of the Clinton campaign using Chelsea to inartfully dissemble.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
168. It's idiotic to assume that step one of legislating Medicare for All would be repealing things
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 02:53 AM
Jan 2016

like Medicare, CHIP, and the ACA. The GOP's mantra is "repeal and replace" and we all know they intend to "replace" ACA with nothing. Bernie wants to replace the ACA with something we commonly refer to as Medicare for All. Far from working with him, the GOP will fight him every step of the way.

When single payer comes--and it will, eventually, although perhaps not in my lifetime--the same bill that makes single paper possible should contain language about phasing out the old programs as the new one takes effect. They're not going to just toss out Medicare, CHIP, and the ACA and then start talking about what to do.

The ACA was supposed to be a first step toward single payer. Some people spoke against the ACA at the time because they were afraid it would compel people to buy minimally useful insurance and that the insurance companies would jack the premiums a few years after it took effect. Welp. So now we're at the point where it's been "proved" that the current system still ain't getting the job done, so we should take the next step.

Rilgin

(787 posts)
272. Lets say that Clinton said she wants to expand Women's health care
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 05:26 PM
Jan 2016

To do this you have to modify the existing laws and programs to expand the access for Women to health care. If I then claimed that Clinton wants to take away access to health care to women and base that statement on the fact that the current provisions that provide access would dissapear it would be a lie. I should be called on stating a lie because replacing a program with another is not the same as eliminating the program.

Bernies plan is to replace Medicaire and Medicaid with Medicaire for all. She can argue a lot of things that would not be outright lies such as feasability, cost, or even arguing that health care results would be worse. However, it would be a lie that he wants to repeal medicaire outright.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
169. It's a race to the bottom with the Clinton's: anything goes to win power.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 02:54 AM
Jan 2016

Chelsea's performance certainly raises questions over how truthful her mother was when making ... any ... statement.

Bernblu

(441 posts)
177. Hillary looks really, really desperate when she is attacking
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 03:30 AM
Jan 2016

and it's pathetic to go after Sanders on these trumped up issues. If she had any respect for the voters and herself she would present a full throated defense of what she actually believes in, if she actually believes in anything at all.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
190. Yikes. That is the first time I have ever heard Chelsea Clinton speak.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 10:39 AM
Jan 2016

I almost,, ALMOST mind you, felt sorry her. She could barely remember her lines, looked and sounded like a robot, nervous, uncomfortable....
And she had the unmitigated gall to stand there in front of the entire world and lie!
I mean, not just little sneaky, half truths as so many politicians do but just out right tell lies.

Either she really supports her mother OR she ran back stage after her little act and yelled, "Mommy, mommy, why did you make me do that? "

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
195. Axelrod said it too 'what she said was untrue'. Not fit to be prez when you send daughter out to lie
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 10:54 AM
Jan 2016
 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
201. Vanilla Rap has PM me four times asking how she lied? Hill bots scrambling as this is the beginning
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 11:20 AM
Jan 2016

of the slide.....................................................

CanonRay

(14,112 posts)
203. I do feel bad for Chelsea
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 11:32 AM
Jan 2016

I always like her. She should never have gotten involved and it smacks of desperation.

gordyfl

(598 posts)
204. Chelsea Needs Acting Lessons
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 11:33 AM
Jan 2016

I watched the whole video. Good one.

I had previously read Chelsea's accusations. But, now that I have seen her on the video, I can honestly say she came across as very insincere. A lot more so than her mother does. She didn't read her lines very well. She acted like she was speaking out of compassion for the American people.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
283. "concern trolling" is the blunt/rude way to describe the style she employed
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 07:14 PM
Jan 2016

I don't see her as having hardly any input as to what she delivered, and she came across as struggling to breathe while making the talking points attacking Sanders policies.

Arguably that's to her credit, not being able to convincingly deliver such an attack. Her body rebelled at performing the task.

gordyfl

(598 posts)
296. That's True
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 09:18 PM
Jan 2016

Some people don't make good liars. Arguably, that's to her credit. That's where acting lessons would come in handy.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
206. Ouch!
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 11:53 AM
Jan 2016

This thread has brought out all of those hard-of-hearing Hillarites who refuse to believe the words
entering their ears. Hillarious.

ellie

(6,929 posts)
223. He's shocked
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:39 PM
Jan 2016

I tell you! No one in politics except Hillary Clinton, or sorry Chelsea, lies. She is the only one. She is the only one whose husband cheated on her. The only one who voted for Bush's war. The only one who used a private email account. She singlehandedly killed those millions of people in Benghazi. Just her. She is simultaneously a weak woman and dictator-in-training.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
228. No one is shocked and no one thinks she's the only one. No one has
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:50 PM
Jan 2016

said anything about her being a dictator.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
253. Hillary pulled a "Palin". Using her daughter to push false rhetoric is the lowest of low.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 03:10 PM
Jan 2016

But ya'll forgot about the Clintons' behavior in 2008 regarding their and their surrogates' racist attacks on Obama. Hopefully now you'll remember.

Response to cali (Original post)

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
279. he's been in the beltway too long and is the product of it (dad Mort was a convert from repubs
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 06:01 PM
Jan 2016

to the antiwar movement and I had known him from that). His stuff is dead rehashed beltway garbage usually. Now reality intrudes on that careful world.

I like Heillman better. He's more real to me. I listen to him when he's on Morning Joe.

Utopian Leftist

(534 posts)
285. This is the daughter of "that depends on what the definition of 'is', is."
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 07:41 PM
Jan 2016

She did not fall far from her famous father.

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