2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDo Iowans deserve to know Bernie Sanders tax plan before the Iowa caucuses on February 1?
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2015/11/16/3722465/sanders-90-percent-tax-rate-debate/Excerpt:
During the second Democratic presidential debate on Saturday evening, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) said he would not try to raise the top tax rate to 90 percent if elected.
Moderator John Dickerson asked him exactly how high he would raise the rate, given that Sanders has previously said he would increase it from its current level of 39.6 percent to above 50 percent. We havent come up with an exact number yet, he responded. But it will not be as high as the number under Dwight D. Eisenhower, which was 90 percent.
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http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/264612-sanders-promises-to-release-full-tax-plan-before-iowa
Excerpt:
Sanders promises to release full tax plan before Iowa caucuses
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said on Sunday he will release his full tax platform before the Iowa caucuses on Feb. 1.
We have been very specific. We have more to do, and we will be doing that in the very near future, the Democratic presidential candidate said of his tax plan on CNNs State of the Union.
When pressed about whether the full plan will be available to voters in Iowa before they cast ballots, Sanders responded: Yep.
Pundits have questioned how Sanders proposes to pay for his spending platform, which The Wall Street Journal estimates will cost $15 trillion over 10 years.
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Is Bernie a man of his word or is he going to keep Iowans in the dark?
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)fleur-de-lisa
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Alfresco
(1,698 posts)fleur-de-lisa
(14,628 posts)riversedge
(70,293 posts)Alfresco
(1,698 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Alfresco
(1,698 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Alfresco
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(1,698 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Note the new gif making its rounds here where his hands disappear over and over against. It is perfect.
Alfresco
(1,698 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Alfresco
(1,698 posts)riversedge
(70,293 posts)enid602
(8,648 posts)With a current debt/GDP ratio of 65% (the same as it was AFTER the New Deal, an all time high until now), there's no way to start his Roosevelt era programs unless he increases taxes, not only to well over 50% on wealthy earners, but on working/middle class earners as well.
riversedge
(70,293 posts)hollysmom
(5,946 posts)for example, California put a cap on property taxes and people saved money (sort of) at the cost of libraries and public parks closing. Sometimes higher taxes bring a better quality of life, Taxes are not the be all and end all of life. The rich like to claim they are being taxed to death when they are paying a much smaller amount of the cost of life, I often wonder if anyone will ever ask Ted Cruz if he is fine with the military shutting down and going away after he closes the IRS and there is no income to support the government. I mean the guy keeps threatening wars, is he going to be like the dog that barks at a big dog and them wants to hide behind mommies knees, but whoa! mommy is not there? (that would be my dog, heh, when she does that I like to sneak away and hide from her at the dog park.)
ejbr
(5,856 posts)That's why no one trusts him enough to support him because time and again he his lied or changed his positions... Oh wait
Alfresco
(1,698 posts)riversedge
(70,293 posts)Alfresco
(1,698 posts)and appreciate where you're coming from
livetohike
(22,161 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)...he should evolve one.
You heartfelt concern is duly noted.
Bwahahaha
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)If I've learned anything about Bernie Sanders, it's that when he says he's going to do something, he does it. He's not a liar like some candidates are.
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Alfresco
(1,698 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Alfresco
(1,698 posts)JRLeft
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(1,698 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)One's actions explain everything. I think it's pretty obvious she's in trouble, sending her daughter out to lie. It doesn't mean she won't bounce back, but today she's in trouble.
Alfresco
(1,698 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Alfresco
(1,698 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)of her opponents campaign, and campaigned as of there was no primary process until Bernie began to make inroads.
Alfresco
(1,698 posts)riversedge
(70,293 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)18 days left to do that. I watched the Dana Bash interview and just as the interview was ending, she asked that question and he answered it directly. And her very first question was, "Do Iowa voters deserve to see your tax plan before the Iowa caucuses?" And Bernie replied, "THEY SURE DO."
So WTF is your problem here? He doesn't work on your schedule or HRH's schedule. He'll release it when it's ready and when 'he' wants to release it...not when Alfresco and HRH want him to.
https://m.
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Alfresco
(1,698 posts)riversedge
(70,293 posts)Tamara Keith Retweeted
Dan Merica ?@danmericaCNN 3h3 hours ago
Dan Merica Retweeted Tamara Keith
Sanders' campaign manager says that his healthcare pay-for is "not necessarily" releasing "before the caucuses."
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)We have lots of documentation of politicians who can't seem to tell the truth. We have candidates who have words like Liar and Dishonest pop up in word clouds. I think we should spend a LOT more time talking about who can and cannot be trusted, and who has and has not been caught in lies.
I don't support the liar candidate; I hope that answers your question.
Alfresco
(1,698 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)...since Congress would just say no.
I agree that Sanders should settle on a "for now" number, but the economy is and always has been a moving target.
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)... its revolution or something along those lines /sarcasm <--- cause this is needed around here
randys1
(16,286 posts)dont know anything about government, taxes, budgets, toothpaste (oops, sorry about that last one)
GOP has no intention of working with either of our people on anything, and least of all raising taxes ONE DOLLAR let alone what Bernie will propose.
That isnt all bad however. When the people hear what needs to be done, and have it explained why, and then they see the GOP refusing to do anything about it, well that can work for us in the long run.
But plan on it being 8 yrs minimum.