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Thenewire

(130 posts)
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 06:21 PM Jan 2016

Why doesn't Sanders admit the need to raise taxes on the working class?

If he were honest and not the average politician he should definitely admit to this one unavoidable fact. At our current tax levels, which have been erroneously lowered by republicans over the years, there is not enough revenue to cover all the programs he wants even if we double the tax rate on the wealthy, corporations, inheritance and increase excise taxes. How do his supporters legitimize his reluctance to admit this or do you simply overlook how Sanders is really like every other politician who bases his ideas on populism?

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Why doesn't Sanders admit the need to raise taxes on the working class? (Original Post) Thenewire Jan 2016 OP
Funnel all health INSURANCE premiums now paid into the new system and randys1 Jan 2016 #1
I think my part of medicare is about $110 a month taken out of social security. LiberalArkie Jan 2016 #31
I guess he is not up to the standards of those paragons of honesty, the Clintons Armstead Jan 2016 #2
That's right. He's such a sneaky dishonest bastid. kath Jan 2016 #8
LOL! Fast Walker 52 Jan 2016 #43
how about we simply restore the capital gains tax rate to what it was under Clinton? lapfog_1 Jan 2016 #3
For people paying into the current system Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #4
250,000 a year is NOT middle class. Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #5
I think it would be a fair safeinOhio Jan 2016 #6
Exactly. Tax increase in exchange for eliminating sky-high premiums, huge deductibles, plus co-pays. kath Jan 2016 #11
He is just that, a generic politician. Dawson Leery Jan 2016 #7
Lol what ever else he is, he's not that cali Jan 2016 #18
If by "generic" you mean honest, with ethics, and working for We the People. 99Forever Jan 2016 #20
"IF HE WERE HONEST"? You just let me know if you want to talk about liars. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #9
Yay! Another when did Bernie stop beating his wife op! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #10
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Kalidurga Jan 2016 #12
The problem is claiming people in the top 2%-3% income Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #13
Ive heard less rediculousness from the likes of Karl Rove. Just amazing litlbilly Jan 2016 #14
Several threads by Hillarians in the past day or two have been so ridiculous and beyond the pale as kath Jan 2016 #15
Yes, and since it took them a bit longer than usual, I think the Bernie surge shook them up. litlbilly Jan 2016 #19
Are you saying Hillary is a liar for promising no new taxes for middle class? nt thereismore Jan 2016 #16
Right after Hillary admits she needs to fuck the poor with taxes to pay for the jfern Jan 2016 #17
and Sanders voted to fund the war many times. Back to the topic. Hilllary will not raise taxes for riversedge Jan 2016 #22
I'm sure it'll be cheaper than Hillary's $2 trillion Iraq war jfern Jan 2016 #23
Estimates on the cost of Sanders plan go as high as $15 trillion mythology Jan 2016 #25
You mean lies from a right-wing rag of the cost of a bill that wasn't Bernie's go up to $15 trillion jfern Jan 2016 #37
How do you know she won't raise taxes on those making less than $250K? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #26
I'd love to see your rhetoric if he voted to NOT pay the men and women we sent to Iraq Scootaloo Jan 2016 #29
Welcome to DU. 99Forever Jan 2016 #21
and you've done all the numbers, right? elleng Jan 2016 #24
It's alive! arcane1 Jan 2016 #27
I would say "welcome to DU" but I see you've been here since 2012. Scootaloo Jan 2016 #28
Seems to be a lot of those lately. Autumn Jan 2016 #39
He has said he will tax all earners for sick leave. LoveIsNow Jan 2016 #30
If he wants us to be more like Europe, then we will have to have a national sales tax Yavin4 Jan 2016 #32
A national sales tax that approaches 20% Recursion Jan 2016 #42
We, in our household, won't be paying a combined $900 in Healthcare Premiums every freakin' month. in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #33
+1,000,000 Trajan Jan 2016 #34
This may help Bjornsdotter Jan 2016 #35
If they up my taxes but cut my medical fees Trajan Jan 2016 #36
There will be winners and losers Recursion Jan 2016 #41
Why are people fed up with the type of disingenuous political posturing your question represents? kristopher Jan 2016 #38
Because he'd like to be nominated? (nt) Recursion Jan 2016 #40

randys1

(16,286 posts)
1. Funnel all health INSURANCE premiums now paid into the new system and
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 06:24 PM
Jan 2016

levy a minor tax on everybody, very minor, and it works.

Or could work, problem is

A. not gonna happen for a very long time due to teaparty and GOP who hate working people

B. have to simultaneously do many other things...end for profit hospitals, limit profits on RX, get more docs, etc.

LiberalArkie

(15,728 posts)
31. I think my part of medicare is about $110 a month taken out of social security.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 08:49 PM
Jan 2016

So that would have to be paid by each person. I don't know how they would do the children.

Then the working would still have to kick in from they pay check also like now. My prescription insurance runs me $46 a month.

My supplement to the Medicare hospital insurance runs me $167 a month. With the $167 added on, I have never had a copay from any doctor, so it is nice.

Naturally if medicare negoiated the prices for meds, they would drop pretty good. Let some other country pay full price for them.

I still do not understand why every clinic I go to has Cat scanners and all those big ticket items. They used to be at the hospital.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
5. 250,000 a year is NOT middle class.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 06:26 PM
Jan 2016

But thanks for rehashing that meme - I love six times warmed up plates.

safeinOhio

(32,715 posts)
6. I think it would be a fair
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 06:27 PM
Jan 2016

trade off. A small tax in exchange for Universal Health. Co-pays are killing people along with drug prices.

kath

(10,565 posts)
11. Exactly. Tax increase in exchange for eliminating sky-high premiums, huge deductibles, plus co-pays.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 06:33 PM
Jan 2016

And eliminate the notion of medical bankruptcy - an unknown concept in civilized countries.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
20. If by "generic" you mean honest, with ethics, and working for We the People.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 07:17 PM
Jan 2016

You know, everything Hillary isn't.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
9. "IF HE WERE HONEST"? You just let me know if you want to talk about liars.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 06:31 PM
Jan 2016

I know of some professional fucking liars we can talk about.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
12. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 06:36 PM
Jan 2016

Yes payroll taxes might increase, but your insurance payment will decrease by a whole lot more. Thousands a year and you get no deductibles, no copays or any of that nonsense that can also cost thousands a year. You guys are really bad at math and honesty.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
13. The problem is claiming people in the top 2%-3% income
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 06:44 PM
Jan 2016

are "working class".

Between my wife and I, we pay about $15,000 a year in insurance premiums and copays. That's a whole lot more than the 8.9% Bernie is talking about (we own our business, so we pay the full cost of insurance).

So, I welcome his plan.

kath

(10,565 posts)
15. Several threads by Hillarians in the past day or two have been so ridiculous and beyond the pale as
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 07:09 PM
Jan 2016

to be litterally laughable. many yuks yesterday or day before on the thread about Bernie's surge in the polls being due to the "data theft" - hilarity ensued!

Expect to see more of this as their desperation increases.

 

litlbilly

(2,227 posts)
19. Yes, and since it took them a bit longer than usual, I think the Bernie surge shook them up.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 07:16 PM
Jan 2016

I believe this new batch of nastiness is not going to help them one bit.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
17. Right after Hillary admits she needs to fuck the poor with taxes to pay for the
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 07:14 PM
Jan 2016

$2 trillion Iraq war she voted for.

riversedge

(70,299 posts)
22. and Sanders voted to fund the war many times. Back to the topic. Hilllary will not raise taxes for
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 07:21 PM
Jan 2016

folks who make less than $250,000. Sanders has not and his campaign manager has said he may not put out the cost of his health care plan before the Iowas caucuses. that is not fair to the voters.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
23. I'm sure it'll be cheaper than Hillary's $2 trillion Iraq war
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 07:24 PM
Jan 2016

But for some reason, we never need to worry about war, that just goes on the credit card.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
25. Estimates on the cost of Sanders plan go as high as $15 trillion
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 08:35 PM
Jan 2016
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/13/politics/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-health-care-plan/index.html

Even if his policy (like most any policy put forth by somebody running for office) won't make it through unchanged, he should explain how he plans to fund it.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
37. You mean lies from a right-wing rag of the cost of a bill that wasn't Bernie's go up to $15 trillion
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 09:18 PM
Jan 2016

LoveIsNow

(356 posts)
30. He has said he will tax all earners for sick leave.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 08:46 PM
Jan 2016

And Hillary has repeatedly criticized him for it, pledging no new taxes on the middle class. He has argued that a broad-based tax will make the program more stable. Therefore, I would say your assertion that he hasn't admitted this basic fact is incorrect

Yavin4

(35,445 posts)
32. If he wants us to be more like Europe, then we will have to have a national sales tax
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 08:50 PM
Jan 2016

All those programs are paid for equally by everyone which is why they have the political support that they do. You cannot just tax the wealthy without incurring a political backlash.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
42. A national sales tax that approaches 20%
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 08:27 AM
Jan 2016

That's going to be a tough sell, but, yeah: that's how Europe pays for the stuff they get.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
33. We, in our household, won't be paying a combined $900 in Healthcare Premiums every freakin' month.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 08:53 PM
Jan 2016

One Medicare supplemental plan and two private policies off the ACA healthcare exchange. Instead, we'll be paying a fraction of that.
Tuition Free University is covered by taxing Wall St. Thieves' Speculation transactions.
Infrastructure repair is paid by closing Corporate Tax Loopholes. Do you have any idea how much money this country loses every year by Corporations hiding their mega billions overseas without paying any taxes on it? BILLIONS.

If every other major country in this world (including some small, poor countries- Costa Rica & Ecuador) can give their citizens Universal Healthcare, SO CAN THE WEALTHIEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. Sheesh.

Stop falling for their bullshit! If we can spend billions per year on wars and the MIC, our citizens can have money spent on Medicare for all! We deserve it and we're worth it! It's OUR country. The government employees work for US, we don't work for them.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

Bjornsdotter

(6,123 posts)
35. This may help
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 09:11 PM
Jan 2016
http://usuncut.com/news/bernie-sanders-healthcare-plan-would-save-the-average-american-family-1200/




The nation’s leading political fact-checker has debunked Hillary Clinton’s recent attacks on Bernie Sanders’ healthcare plan.

According to Politifact’s recent analysis of Bernie Sanders’ proposal to expand Medicare to all Americans under his “Medicare for All” single-payer healthcare system, Sanders’ plan would save the average household between $505 and $1,823 per year — just shy of a $1,200 average cost savings. While this figure is lower than the Sanders campaign’s estimate of $3,855 to $5,173 in savings, it still means American families will pay less under single-payer healthcare than they currently do under the Affordable Care Act.

Sanders’ plan is modeled after single-payer legislation he introduced in 2013, which outlines how the plan would be implemented and paid for on a nationwide scale. First, Sanders would impose a 6.7 percent payroll tax on employers, along with a 2.2 percent healthcare tax on those making less than $250,000 per year. Sanders includes higher percentages for incomes above $250,000 in his legislation (the richest 2 percent of the U.S. population) and a 5.4 percent surcharge on the wealthiest Americans whose modified adjusted gross income is above $1,000,000 (literally less than 1 percent of Americans). Sanders’ bill also includes a 0.02 percent financial transactions tax on Wall Street trading.
 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
36. If they up my taxes but cut my medical fees
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 09:11 PM
Jan 2016

It's going to be a net WIN for regular citizens ...

Is it the health insurance profits you are concerned about? ... I know I will shed a tear or two when they are bypassed by consumers ... Sniff sniff ... Poor fellas ...

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
41. There will be winners and losers
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 08:25 AM
Jan 2016

People who have their insurance fully paid for by their employer will be worse off, as will people who only get catastrophic insurance and don't really go to the doctor much. People who have mediocre insurance will be better off.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
38. Why are people fed up with the type of disingenuous political posturing your question represents?
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 11:33 PM
Jan 2016

Because it's skunk-like behavior.

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