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cilla4progress

(24,728 posts)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 02:54 PM Sep 2012

New Obama tape leak re "redistribution"...

Instead of making excuses like, "oh, it's a 14 year old tape; wealth is presently redistributed from middle to upper income..."

All the Obamans have to, and should say, is this: "yes, and this redistribution is acknowledged and supported in our federal tax code - this is why income tax is progressive, that is, the higher the income, the greater the rate."

In other words, it is a generally accepted mechanism for fairness and opportunity, to grow the middle class, in our economy, and has been for a century.

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New Obama tape leak re "redistribution"... (Original Post) cilla4progress Sep 2012 OP
after decades of republican damage, the progressivity of the income tax merely neutralizes the unblock Sep 2012 #1
LaBolt just said as much today... landolfi Sep 2012 #2
I didn't catch that in his explanation cilla4progress Sep 2012 #3
LaBolt said: landolfi Sep 2012 #8
Thanks for the actual quote, landolfi. nt Cha Sep 2012 #24
he doesn't have to say anything. Mitt wasted his "super-weapon" in a frantic attempt to distract MjolnirTime Sep 2012 #4
This is laughable trying to compare this to what Romney said bigdarryl Sep 2012 #5
Yes, but it's all in the 2012 meme of: cilla4progress Sep 2012 #7
Nothing new about it -- that tape was used in ads in 2008 KurtNYC Sep 2012 #6
Yep! remembered it from 2008, too. lame! n/t progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #17
Exactly! nt Cha Sep 2012 #25
Here we go, David Frum, of all people --! cilla4progress Sep 2012 #9
Obama handled this with Joe the Plumber and "spreading wealth around" TheDonkey Sep 2012 #10
Can't remember where I heard it, but this is how it was explained. justgamma Sep 2012 #11
Just sitting there takes it out of proper circulation - hedgehog Sep 2012 #13
Thanks...I needed that. nt FLyellowdog Sep 2012 #12
Moderation in everything; moderate redistribution is a needed control on unbridled hedgehog Sep 2012 #14
And The Board Game "Monopoly" Was Created To Prove Your Point Yavin4 Sep 2012 #20
When the top 20% owns 85% of the wealth and the bottom 40% owns 1% I'd say redistribution is needed Squinch Sep 2012 #15
that's been around for a while... not exactly a bombshell development! lol. progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #16
Obama should also say Rmoney favors redistribution of wealth meow2u3 Sep 2012 #18
Just more proof (as if any is necessary) Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2012 #19
What was RMONEY saying 14 years ago? Blue Idaho Sep 2012 #21
Nicely done! DNC should get on it!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2012 #23
Yeah, if the MF want Cha Sep 2012 #26
Great comments! cilla4progress Sep 2012 #22
Cenk Young Turks IS ON IT CURRENT TV right now julian09 Sep 2012 #27
We are all 'redistributionists'. earthside Sep 2012 #28
Yes - part of the fabric of our society, cilla4progress Sep 2012 #29
What the reply needs to be is to refer to the context of the full quote, and asking if Arneoker Sep 2012 #30

unblock

(52,208 posts)
1. after decades of republican damage, the progressivity of the income tax merely neutralizes the
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 03:00 PM
Sep 2012

regressivity of virtually all other taxes.

cilla4progress

(24,728 posts)
3. I didn't catch that in his explanation
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 03:02 PM
Sep 2012

(on Andrea Mitchell). I thought he mostly made excuses, instead of describing it as a traditional American ethic?

landolfi

(234 posts)
8. LaBolt said:
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 03:16 PM
Sep 2012

"Want to talk about redistribution, Gov. Romney and Rep. Ryan would redistribute wealth from middle-class families to the wealthiest Americans," LaBolt said. "The president has cut taxes for middle-class families by $3,600. Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan would raise taxes on them by $2,000 to pay for tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires." But I see what you're saying--the tax system is set up on that assumption and always has been that way, and everyone agrees it's fair (except for the wealthy Scrooges who don't pay their fair share).

 

MjolnirTime

(1,800 posts)
4. he doesn't have to say anything. Mitt wasted his "super-weapon" in a frantic attempt to distract
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 03:03 PM
Sep 2012

sorry, Mitt.

A video from 1998 doesn't match one from 2012.

 

bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
5. This is laughable trying to compare this to what Romney said
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 03:06 PM
Sep 2012

Obama wasn't running for President and wasn't President he was in his damn 30's this strikes as desperation

cilla4progress

(24,728 posts)
7. Yes, but it's all in the 2012 meme of:
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 03:11 PM
Sep 2012

"It fits the narrative" the voting public already has about the candidate.

I think this has resonance, as does when it was said, etc., as you point out.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
6. Nothing new about it -- that tape was used in ads in 2008
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 03:11 PM
Sep 2012

In the words of Bill Clinton: That dog won't hunt.

No need to go on defense while offense is in over drive.

cilla4progress

(24,728 posts)
9. Here we go, David Frum, of all people --!
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 03:16 PM
Sep 2012

(Republican - but somewhat reasonable):

"One can only reply: That's it? That's what you've got?

That quote may expose Obama as long-winded, but we knew that. But what exactly is he saying here that would be disagreed with by, say, the founders of the land-grant colleges or the authors of Social Security?"

Bingo! Thanks, David!

TheDonkey

(8,911 posts)
10. Obama handled this with Joe the Plumber and "spreading wealth around"
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 03:19 PM
Sep 2012

So this "socialist" attack is nothing new. Obama needs to be more aggressive in attacking Romney over the sercret tapes. The campaign made a misstep not taking advantage of piling on Monday and Tuesday. Biden gave a "no comment" remark, which is not what the campaign needs right now. Romney is helping to define himself as an out of touch dickwad and we need all of our people helping him dig his political grave.

justgamma

(3,665 posts)
11. Can't remember where I heard it, but this is how it was explained.
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 03:23 PM
Sep 2012

There is a certain amount of money in the world. The more the wealthiest hoard, the less for everyone else. They can only spend so much. The rest just sits there. It was short and made total sense.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
13. Just sitting there takes it out of proper circulation -
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 03:27 PM
Sep 2012

Romney takes $5 and puts it under a rock* in the Cayman Islands


Ralph spends the same $5 with Sam, who spends it with Sue, who spends it with Ruth, who spends it with Fred, etc.

The same $5 in the hands of the middle class turns over many times, generating economic activity each time.



*(probably buys real estate or some such thing with it!)

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
14. Moderation in everything; moderate redistribution is a needed control on unbridled
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 03:28 PM
Sep 2012

capitalism. Without it, capitalism devolves into an end game of no economic activity!

Yavin4

(35,438 posts)
20. And The Board Game "Monopoly" Was Created To Prove Your Point
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 05:16 PM
Sep 2012
The history of Monopoly can be traced back to 1903,[2] when an American woman named Elizabeth (Lizzie) J. Magie Phillips created a game through which she hoped to be able to explain the single tax theory of Henry George (it was intended to illustrate the negative aspects of concentrating land in private monopolies). Her game, The Landlord's Game, was commercially published in 1923


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_(game)

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
15. When the top 20% owns 85% of the wealth and the bottom 40% owns 1% I'd say redistribution is needed
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 04:18 PM
Sep 2012

to restore democracy. Because right now we're in a plutocracy, and all the mechanisms of plutocracy are kicking in: the wealth is buying the voting apparatus, the airways, and the resources to produce further wealth.

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
16. that's been around for a while... not exactly a bombshell development! lol.
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 04:19 PM
Sep 2012

Gawd.. the romneys are SO desperate. People dont' give a shit about it.

meow2u3

(24,761 posts)
18. Obama should also say Rmoney favors redistribution of wealth
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 04:57 PM
Sep 2012

Redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the radical rich, that is!

Now that's a comeback I'd like to hear in the debates.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
19. Just more proof (as if any is necessary)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 05:06 PM
Sep 2012

that Republicans live in the past and are eager to attack Democrats about things said 14 years ago to try to gain political advantage (or create some kind of demented "false equivalency&quot .

Blue Idaho

(5,049 posts)
21. What was RMONEY saying 14 years ago?
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 05:20 PM
Sep 2012

"I support a woman's right to choose."

"I am more liberal than Teddy Kennedy."

"I support gun control legislation."

earthside

(6,960 posts)
28. We are all 'redistributionists'.
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 07:11 PM
Sep 2012

We build fire stations in poor neighborhoods.

We build schools in communities that could never raise enough money on their own to construct them.

I do not hunt or fish, but my tax dollars still go to state and federal fish and wildlife agencies.

Present and future tax dollars from poor, middle and wealthy Americans have gone to bailout private banks that were in trouble.

I am very healthy and expect to live a long life -- my life insurance premiums will go to pay-off the widow and children of the guy who suddenly died at 40 years old.

The examples of redistribution by government and private enterprise could go on almost forever -- it is part of social and economic reality for human beings.

This latest effort by Rmoney and the Repuglicans to turn Obama into a Marxist because he used the word 'redistribution' in a fourteen year old discussion is about the lamest thing yet that they have tried.

cilla4progress

(24,728 posts)
29. Yes - part of the fabric of our society,
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 08:03 PM
Sep 2012

our social compact (which Rmoneyites may not actually honor or believe in).

Chris Matthews just had a good comment on about it: payments to police; VA doctors; Pell grants.

It's all redistribution...

Arneoker

(375 posts)
30. What the reply needs to be is to refer to the context of the full quote, and asking if
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 06:06 AM
Sep 2012

Romney and the Republicans don't want everybody to have a fair shot.

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