2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNew Obama tape leak re "redistribution"...
Instead of making excuses like, "oh, it's a 14 year old tape; wealth is presently redistributed from middle to upper income..."
All the Obamans have to, and should say, is this: "yes, and this redistribution is acknowledged and supported in our federal tax code - this is why income tax is progressive, that is, the higher the income, the greater the rate."
In other words, it is a generally accepted mechanism for fairness and opportunity, to grow the middle class, in our economy, and has been for a century.
unblock
(52,208 posts)regressivity of virtually all other taxes.
landolfi
(234 posts)cilla4progress
(24,728 posts)(on Andrea Mitchell). I thought he mostly made excuses, instead of describing it as a traditional American ethic?
landolfi
(234 posts)"Want to talk about redistribution, Gov. Romney and Rep. Ryan would redistribute wealth from middle-class families to the wealthiest Americans," LaBolt said. "The president has cut taxes for middle-class families by $3,600. Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan would raise taxes on them by $2,000 to pay for tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires." But I see what you're saying--the tax system is set up on that assumption and always has been that way, and everyone agrees it's fair (except for the wealthy Scrooges who don't pay their fair share).
Cha
(297,190 posts)MjolnirTime
(1,800 posts)sorry, Mitt.
A video from 1998 doesn't match one from 2012.
bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)Obama wasn't running for President and wasn't President he was in his damn 30's this strikes as desperation
cilla4progress
(24,728 posts)"It fits the narrative" the voting public already has about the candidate.
I think this has resonance, as does when it was said, etc., as you point out.
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)In the words of Bill Clinton: That dog won't hunt.
No need to go on defense while offense is in over drive.
progressivebydesign
(19,458 posts)cilla4progress
(24,728 posts)(Republican - but somewhat reasonable):
"One can only reply: That's it? That's what you've got?
That quote may expose Obama as long-winded, but we knew that. But what exactly is he saying here that would be disagreed with by, say, the founders of the land-grant colleges or the authors of Social Security?"
Bingo! Thanks, David!
TheDonkey
(8,911 posts)So this "socialist" attack is nothing new. Obama needs to be more aggressive in attacking Romney over the sercret tapes. The campaign made a misstep not taking advantage of piling on Monday and Tuesday. Biden gave a "no comment" remark, which is not what the campaign needs right now. Romney is helping to define himself as an out of touch dickwad and we need all of our people helping him dig his political grave.
justgamma
(3,665 posts)There is a certain amount of money in the world. The more the wealthiest hoard, the less for everyone else. They can only spend so much. The rest just sits there. It was short and made total sense.
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)Romney takes $5 and puts it under a rock* in the Cayman Islands
Ralph spends the same $5 with Sam, who spends it with Sue, who spends it with Ruth, who spends it with Fred, etc.
The same $5 in the hands of the middle class turns over many times, generating economic activity each time.
*(probably buys real estate or some such thing with it!)
FLyellowdog
(4,276 posts)hedgehog
(36,286 posts)capitalism. Without it, capitalism devolves into an end game of no economic activity!
Yavin4
(35,438 posts)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_(game)
Squinch
(50,949 posts)to restore democracy. Because right now we're in a plutocracy, and all the mechanisms of plutocracy are kicking in: the wealth is buying the voting apparatus, the airways, and the resources to produce further wealth.
progressivebydesign
(19,458 posts)Gawd.. the romneys are SO desperate. People dont' give a shit about it.
meow2u3
(24,761 posts)Redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the radical rich, that is!
Now that's a comeback I'd like to hear in the debates.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,412 posts)that Republicans live in the past and are eager to attack Democrats about things said 14 years ago to try to gain political advantage (or create some kind of demented "false equivalency" .
Blue Idaho
(5,049 posts)"I support a woman's right to choose."
"I am more liberal than Teddy Kennedy."
"I support gun control legislation."
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Cha
(297,190 posts)to talk about 14 years ago.
cilla4progress
(24,728 posts)Interesting to hear your responses to the redistribution charge!
julian09
(1,435 posts)earthside
(6,960 posts)We build fire stations in poor neighborhoods.
We build schools in communities that could never raise enough money on their own to construct them.
I do not hunt or fish, but my tax dollars still go to state and federal fish and wildlife agencies.
Present and future tax dollars from poor, middle and wealthy Americans have gone to bailout private banks that were in trouble.
I am very healthy and expect to live a long life -- my life insurance premiums will go to pay-off the widow and children of the guy who suddenly died at 40 years old.
The examples of redistribution by government and private enterprise could go on almost forever -- it is part of social and economic reality for human beings.
This latest effort by Rmoney and the Repuglicans to turn Obama into a Marxist because he used the word 'redistribution' in a fourteen year old discussion is about the lamest thing yet that they have tried.
cilla4progress
(24,728 posts)our social compact (which Rmoneyites may not actually honor or believe in).
Chris Matthews just had a good comment on about it: payments to police; VA doctors; Pell grants.
It's all redistribution...
Arneoker
(375 posts)Romney and the Republicans don't want everybody to have a fair shot.