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Hillary UNDERMINES President Obama! Calls for sanctions on Iran! (Original Post) last1standing Jan 2016 OP
More aggressive foreign policy HassleCat Jan 2016 #1
Are you surprised? EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #2
A little bit - seems to be 840high Jan 2016 #34
Once a warmonger always a warmonger. CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #3
Like her Republican counterparts, she plays the fear card. senz Jan 2016 #4
Hillary is a warmonger. Why I did not support her last time. Thank the gods Obama won that election sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #5
I too and glad Obama won davidpdx Jan 2016 #50
In addition to her lousy politics and lousy attacks, she now has lousy timing. libdem4life Jan 2016 #6
she will find that out in the next debate. roguevalley Jan 2016 #37
Her call to place new sanctions on Iran saltpoint Jan 2016 #7
Well she has to keep up with Trump ...it seems. bkkyosemite Jan 2016 #8
! ejbr Jan 2016 #9
She has to brush up her neocon street cred... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #10
Shhhhhhhhh. Don't let let lewebly know we're critizing Hillary. Duckfan Jan 2016 #11
this time they won't rely on dangerous proxies--we'll just go in ourselves! MisterP Jan 2016 #13
She's a neocon. I think (if I remember right) Bill may be in with the PNAC crowd. nt silvershadow Jan 2016 #12
Moved OP INdemo Jan 2016 #48
To be fair Cassiopeia Jan 2016 #14
^^ This! ^^ ('-' ) Marty McGraw Jan 2016 #30
She's jealous of John Kerry's accomplishment and has to shit on it. Also needs more money from the MIC for attack ads. Green Forest Jan 2016 #15
I am a Hillary supporter and this concerns me n/t Tommy2Tone Jan 2016 #16
It should. last1standing Jan 2016 #19
Why I did not support her last time. She is in bed and has been for a long time, with the neocon sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #56
She's becoming unhinged. jalan48 Jan 2016 #17
I hope, Tommy2Tone that its something you give serious thought to. This isn't about roguevalley Jan 2016 #38
So let's recap Kall Jan 2016 #18
You forgot demand Bernie's medical records when she hasn't released her own. last1standing Jan 2016 #22
she probably opened a bad can of worms with the medical thing. Didn't she have a roguevalley Jan 2016 #39
it was a blood clot due to a concussion due to a fall due to fainting from being dehydrated Karma13612 Jan 2016 #65
Next week... Mendocino Jan 2016 #35
threats to reinvade Vietnam and "do it right this time"? MisterP Jan 2016 #51
HRC will settle for re-invading Iraq. She only has 1 million notches KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #54
Kerry is 8 quadrillion times... gregcrawford Jan 2016 #20
Oh Kerry IS hollowdweller Jan 2016 #26
The Clinton Administration's Iraq Sanctions... bvar22 Jan 2016 #61
No argument from me. 840high Jan 2016 #36
John Kerry has been a very effective Secretary of State Blue_In_AK Jan 2016 #60
Same stuff as 08 that made me switch to Obama. hollowdweller Jan 2016 #21
Me too. I was open minded then, but my mind soon changed. rusty quoin Jan 2016 #55
Well, what the? SoapBox Jan 2016 #23
She's consistently aggressive when it comes to foreign policy neverforget Jan 2016 #24
Jesus... Make Her Go Away... WillyT Jan 2016 #25
We will, it's just going to take a couple more months of hard work. Cassiopeia Jan 2016 #33
Not surprising she Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #27
Attn. Hillary--- you haven't won the nomination yet, too early to thrust right. morningfog Jan 2016 #28
Yup - nt Marty McGraw Jan 2016 #32
Yeah. nt Herman4747 Jan 2016 #41
Are you sure that wasn't Bill doing the thrusting? davidpdx Jan 2016 #52
Hillary supporters complain that Bernie is not supporting Obama - well she's not! Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #29
Camel, meet straw. Richard D Jan 2016 #31
Who is she pandering to? Why does she think this is the right course? PoliticalMalcontent Jan 2016 #40
My only guess is that she's looking for MIC cash and bets voters won't remember. last1standing Jan 2016 #42
Pandering to the interests of weapons manufacturers and oil producers. Fantastic! :/ PoliticalMalcontent Jan 2016 #49
Just when I thought things are going to get better... Herman4747 Jan 2016 #43
She won't win. Not now. last1standing Jan 2016 #44
Agree. The treaty represented a significant saltpoint Jan 2016 #46
Make Netanyahu happy? Jealous of Kerry? Sienna86 Jan 2016 #45
She's consistently pro death. Sanctions affect poor people. JRLeft Jan 2016 #47
Dang! Duppers Jan 2016 #53
Your logic makes better sense than anything else so far.... andrewv1 Jan 2016 #57
Thanks. Her #1 priority at this time is getting elected. Duppers Jan 2016 #59
She must be drinking, heavily Oilwellian Jan 2016 #58
those would be the sanctions that Obama announced today dsc Jan 2016 #62
Not according to Hillary. shiriu Jan 2016 #63
that is how sanctions work dsc Jan 2016 #64
Historically, sanctions against Iran were against the government and/or population, not individuals. shiriu Jan 2016 #66
Please check the front page of NYT lanlady Jan 2016 #67
 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
1. More aggressive foreign policy
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 09:19 PM
Jan 2016

Is this what we want? I know many Democrats want a "more robust" foreign policy than Obama's, but how much more robust? Whole lotta saber rattling going on here.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
4. Like her Republican counterparts, she plays the fear card.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 09:24 PM
Jan 2016

When she thinks it will work, she plays the xenophobic and racist card, too, as we saw in 2008.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
5. Hillary is a warmonger. Why I did not support her last time. Thank the gods Obama won that election
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 09:24 PM
Jan 2016

if it were just for this alone. The Warmongering Neocons have wanted to go to war with Iran for over a decade now.

She made it clear with her Iraq War vote where she stands on the Neocon War Agenda.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
50. I too and glad Obama won
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 11:50 PM
Jan 2016

Just an aside. I was talking to my wife about our upcoming vacation to the US that will be two weeks. I told her if Clinton won it would be very easy for me not to do anything political while there, but if Sanders won it would be hard not to get involved and help out.

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
7. Her call to place new sanctions on Iran
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 09:26 PM
Jan 2016

flies in the face of Obama's arduous treaty-making work of recent months.

Democrats in Iowa in 2008 chose over Clinton the man her announcement mocks. He's been twice elected to the presidency.

Notably bad move by Hillary Clinton.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
10. She has to brush up her neocon street cred...
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 09:47 PM
Jan 2016

...by coming out against Iran, one of Bush's "Axis of Evil" trio of countries.

It certainly does not indicate support for Obama and Kerry's great accomplishment in inking a nuclear deal with Iran. I guess she is trying to distance herself. Or maybe she does not wish to acknowledge yet another great accomplishment by Kerry as Secretary of State. Certainly his accomplishments have overshadowed hers, and they have also been less warlike (Libya - "We came, we saw, he died, har de har", Syria - "Assad must go, we must have a no-fly zone to fight Isis, even though they have no aircraft&quot .

Another great move on Hillary's part. Not.

Duckfan

(1,268 posts)
11. Shhhhhhhhh. Don't let let lewebly know we're critizing Hillary.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:00 PM
Jan 2016

They will jump on here and post that Hillary has a better idea for foreign policy. Or that Hillary has tons of experience doing something while SOS.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
13. this time they won't rely on dangerous proxies--we'll just go in ourselves!
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:02 PM
Jan 2016

look, they even have maps!

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
14. To be fair
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:03 PM
Jan 2016

I don't think she cares what color the victims are as long as they bring profits to her closest friends.

 

Green Forest

(232 posts)
15. She's jealous of John Kerry's accomplishment and has to shit on it. Also needs more money from the MIC for attack ads.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:08 PM
Jan 2016

Hillary is tone-deaf, unhinged, and flailing.

I'll bet Barack is annoyed.

last1standing

(11,709 posts)
19. It should.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:12 PM
Jan 2016

I've been giving some posters Hell tonight for what I feel are cynical and damaging attacks against Bernie, but this is something entirely different. This has serious ramifications.

This is Obama's former SOS publicly contradicting one of his biggest foreign policy successes. If she's going to do that, she had better have a Damned good reason for it and holding a few sailors overnight isn't a good reason.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
56. Why I did not support her last time. She is in bed and has been for a long time, with the neocon
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 12:23 AM
Jan 2016

warmongers. Some of her close associates at State were neocons, why she pushed for the disastrous invasion of Libya, now a horribly failed state which was once one of Africa's most advanced.

She lost me with her vote or Iraq and the reasons she gave. We must stop these neocons from draining our country dry with their constant wars. It saddened me that day to see someone I had long respected and defended joining one of the country's worst administrations who were clearly lying us into war, at a time when we needed every voice raised agaiinst them.

But for me this country comes before any politician. And once I saw where she really stood and who she stood with, I could not support her.

I am glad I supported Obama, I have disagreed with him on many things, but if Hillary had been president right now, there would be war with Iran.

For that alone, my support for Obama was worth every minute devoted to getting him elected.

Same thing now with Bernie.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
38. I hope, Tommy2Tone that its something you give serious thought to. This isn't about
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:49 PM
Jan 2016

a social program. This is about another possible war. She loves war too much, truly. I feel your pain having a candidate you love do something so ... awful. Take care.

Kall

(615 posts)
18. So let's recap
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:11 PM
Jan 2016

This week has seen Hillary Clinton dishonestly attack Bernie Sanders with Republican talking points over his universal health care plan and send her child out to spread the fear-mongering lies, undermine Obama on diplomatic relations with Iran and take the Republican approach to sanctions. What will next week bring?

last1standing

(11,709 posts)
22. You forgot demand Bernie's medical records when she hasn't released her own.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:16 PM
Jan 2016

But this is far more serious. This is a former SOS under the current administration publicly contradicting a major foreign policy decision on the same day it went into effect. She is signaling that she will undue any attempts at peaceful relations with Iran if she wins the Whitehouse. She's basically trying to force Iran to break the agreement by starting their nuclear program back up.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
39. she probably opened a bad can of worms with the medical thing. Didn't she have a
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:50 PM
Jan 2016

stroke-like attack a few back? Nothing she is doing is sensible. Someone on a talk show said all of it comes from the top. This is her flailing. Very scary and very sad.

Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
65. it was a blood clot due to a concussion due to a fall due to fainting from being dehydrated
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 07:51 PM
Jan 2016

due to a GI bug.

all verifiable and very reasonable.

I understand it was not a stroke, but she DOES have a history of several previous blood clots. I personally am not convinced that it was only a concussion. But, we will never know.

I think we need to look forward, and just respect that as people get older, there are usually things that go wrong.

This could be said for both Bernie and Hillary.

I would like to see Bernie's MD come forward with a letter of good health.
I would like to see Hillary's MD come forward with a letter of good health that was updated to current. There is one from back in the summer, if I understand correctly.

They need to be on a level playing field.

I support Bernie because I believe in his values.

But, I worry about health for both of them.

#Bernie16

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
54. HRC will settle for re-invading Iraq. She only has 1 million notches
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 11:59 PM
Jan 2016

on her belt (many of them "real grandchildren&quot so far and needs a million more.

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
20. Kerry is 8 quadrillion times...
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:13 PM
Jan 2016

... better as Secretary of State than Clinton ever dreamed of being. Let her delusional defenders descend upon me; I am loaded for bear!

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
26. Oh Kerry IS
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:20 PM
Jan 2016

When Clinton became a senator I could see her being a great, even historic senator but when it was all over I didn't really think she did that much. I truly thought she would be like Elizabeth Warren is now calling the GOP out and stuff.

Then when Obama made her SOS I thought given her connections and having Bill as an advisor she would make an incredible mark.

It made me sad when I read of internal arguments that she was always such a hawk and that she really didn't do anything historic as SOS either.

My buddy who I worked with, who was from Algeria says he thought it was because as a woman nobody in the middle east respected her. However I remember Albright as being a very good SOS. Of course the middle east did not require as much attention and the Israel/Palestine thing was handled by Clinton himself.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
61. The Clinton Administration's Iraq Sanctions...
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 07:30 PM
Jan 2016

...killed over 1/2 MILLION Iraqi children.
When asked on 60 minutes about this many children dying because of the Clinton Sanctions,
Albright replied "It was worth it!" !!!!????

The death of 500,000 brown children "worth it"??
for WHAT???


 

rusty quoin

(6,133 posts)
55. Me too. I was open minded then, but my mind soon changed.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 12:20 AM
Jan 2016

I was open minded as far as I could go this time too, though I was always behind Bernie, I figured she would win.

But who is she running against with this latest thing? I'm confused. So she's trying to run against Bernie, and at the same time run against the Democratic Party?

The Republican Party for some time now has had problems. She is creating many problems for the Democratic Party, her and DWS.

neverforget

(9,436 posts)
24. She's consistently aggressive when it comes to foreign policy
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:17 PM
Jan 2016

I'll give her that.....Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran.....

40. Who is she pandering to? Why does she think this is the right course?
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:54 PM
Jan 2016

I'm not a fan of trying to keep people under our thumb indefinitely. Especially because these political tools meant to send messages to the government of Iran end up hurting the people of Iran who are, by and large, innocent.

For all of the times Hillary has said she's a progressive, this is NOT a progressive move.

I'm going to be happy when she's out of national politics.

last1standing

(11,709 posts)
42. My only guess is that she's looking for MIC cash and bets voters won't remember.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 11:11 PM
Jan 2016

The only other option is that she really is mentally unfit to act as Commander in Chief. She's agitating for war without reason or advantage for anyone but weapons manufacturers and oil producers.

Regardless of her reasons, her statements are dangerous for the entire world.

49. Pandering to the interests of weapons manufacturers and oil producers. Fantastic! :/
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 11:50 PM
Jan 2016

I hope people come to their senses soon. Seems like they have been more and more.

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
43. Just when I thought things are going to get better...
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 11:12 PM
Jan 2016

...between the U.S. and Iran, Hillary does this.

I do not look forward to her presidency.

last1standing

(11,709 posts)
44. She won't win. Not now.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 11:17 PM
Jan 2016

She destroyed her chances months ago when she unleashed her trained monkey, David Brock, to attempt to smear Bernie. At this point, she's reminded too many of why they turned to Obama in 2008.

After dangerously, and significantly, undermining the sitting president she once worked for on a cornerstone of his foreign policy, she's toast. If Obama is seen to support her after this, he will be seen as undercutting his own policy.

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
46. Agree. The treaty represented a significant
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 11:22 PM
Jan 2016

improvement in U.S. - Iran relations over a period of many years.

Her words are careless and poorly timed. At best.

andrewv1

(168 posts)
57. Your logic makes better sense than anything else so far....
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 12:29 AM
Jan 2016

I keep thinking she's either self-destructing or there is some brilliant plan in place she is going to reveal to the rest of us.

Whatever, she's still World War Three Hillary.

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
59. Thanks. Her #1 priority at this time is getting elected.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 02:24 AM
Jan 2016

And she'll pander in any way she can to whomever she thinks might vote for her.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
58. She must be drinking, heavily
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 01:03 AM
Jan 2016

I'm just not having visions of sugar plums dance through my head when I try to imagine her campaign behind the scenes.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
62. those would be the sanctions that Obama announced today
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 07:32 PM
Jan 2016

that bastard working undermine Obama you should start a petition to impeach Obama for undermining Obama.

 

shiriu

(63 posts)
63. Not according to Hillary.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 07:35 PM
Jan 2016

Obama's sanctions targeted only individuals and entities. Hillary specifically called out on the Iranian nation, which would mean either wide sanctions against the iranian government or population.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
64. that is how sanctions work
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 07:41 PM
Jan 2016

they are on individuals and entities. We have sanctions on Russia, for example, but all of them are on individuals and entities. State run enterprizes are in fact entities.

 

shiriu

(63 posts)
66. Historically, sanctions against Iran were against the government and/or population, not individuals.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:35 PM
Jan 2016

lanlady

(7,134 posts)
67. Please check the front page of NYT
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:41 PM
Jan 2016

Obama just announced new sanctions against Iran for nuclear testing.

Hillary's supporting Obama, not undermine him

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