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Alfresco

(1,698 posts)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 05:13 AM Jan 2016

Sanders gets a look at Clinton’s South Carolina firewall

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/01/16/sanders-gets-a-look-at-clintons-south-carolina-firewall/
Excerpt:
By Philip Rucker and Dan Balz January 16 at 11:34 PM

CHARLESTON, S.C. -- Bernie Sanders got a taste here Saturday night of what could await him when the Democratic presidential campaign comes to South Carolina.

The senator from Vermont delivered a forceful speech and appealed to a predominantly African-American audience with calls to overhaul the nation’s criminal justice system and cure chronic minority unemployment.

But it was Hillary Clinton who owned the room at a South Carolina Democratic Party dinner. In contrast to her two opponents, Clinton received boisterous, standing ovations at the start and finish of her speech. She offered herself as a steely protector of President Obama’s legacy who would preserve and extending his policies.
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Sanders gets a look at Clinton’s South Carolina firewall (Original Post) Alfresco Jan 2016 OP
Hillary is lying again - she's opposing President Obama's Iran deal by calling for new sanctions. Green Forest Jan 2016 #1
Good Morning Green Forest. :-) Alfresco Jan 2016 #2
No one you love is still being held hostage by Iran while Hillary ATTACKS the Iran deal. Green Forest Jan 2016 #3
The topic of this post is South Carolina. There are already many posts about Iran. Thx anyway. :-) Alfresco Jan 2016 #4
Why is Hillary irresponsibly attacking Pres. Obama's Iran deal and calling for new sanctions? Green Forest Jan 2016 #6
She brings up Iran and sanctions in this speech - she opened the door for the subject in this topic. ebayfool Jan 2016 #7
The two subjects are related... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #42
So what?! If they break the agreements they've made then new sanctions should be set... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #38
Owned the room? The authors are obviously biased. See the reception to both speeches yourselves... ebayfool Jan 2016 #5
Poor audio. I was not there. I'll take the word of these WAPO journalists. Alfresco Jan 2016 #8
Or you can, ya know ... see for yourself? ebayfool Jan 2016 #9
Thanks for the videos. Alfresco Jan 2016 #10
Maybe it's your speakers cannabis_flower Jan 2016 #11
The poster's speakers are fine tazkcmo Jan 2016 #27
Have you hacked into my cam? What am I doing now? :-) Alfresco Jan 2016 #31
Enjoying my ignore. n/t tazkcmo Jan 2016 #32
Blissfully, I suspect. ;-) Alfresco Jan 2016 #33
Stop picking your nose, and get dressed. snoringvoter Jan 2016 #45
Okaaay! Apologies for not meeting your, erm, standards? n/t ebayfool Jan 2016 #12
No apologies needed. :-) Alfresco Jan 2016 #14
I have no problem with the audio magical thyme Jan 2016 #13
audio is fine unapatriciated Jan 2016 #18
yeah, because political reporters never have an agenda, right? Fast Walker 52 Jan 2016 #49
Another video with better audio. :-) Alfresco Jan 2016 #16
Not from the First in the South dinner though. ebayfool Jan 2016 #21
I noticed that too. unapatriciated Jan 2016 #22
Report the pms to the admins. No reason for you to put with that kind of crap! n/t ebayfool Jan 2016 #23
I did but before I could finish my alert... unapatriciated Jan 2016 #24
I tried but the pms and content in my inbox stated this unapatriciated Jan 2016 #48
Same event? TheBlackAdder Jan 2016 #47
Thanks for the post, Alfresco. BlueMTexpat Jan 2016 #15
Questioning the veracity of the reporters on how boisterous the crowd was. Delving into silliness. Alfresco Jan 2016 #17
Pretending you can't hear comparative videos' audio feed which disprove the reporter's claim is silliness. Green Forest Jan 2016 #19
Green Forest I will not perpetuate the silliness of your silliness. :-) Alfresco Jan 2016 #20
As fair and unbiased observer, Alfresco, I must say you are carrying the day. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #25
You do understand that the term 'fair and unbiased observer' is one that must be given by Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #29
+1 snoringvoter Jan 2016 #46
It's flat out stupid to not constantly question the veracity of all reporters on all things. Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #26
After all tazkcmo Jan 2016 #28
Hillary was impressive.SC's Dems are confident they're backing the GE oasis Jan 2016 #30
you trust a red state??? SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #34
She WINS SC's delegates to the Democratic convention. oasis Jan 2016 #35
to let red states pick our candidate is stupid SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #36
You're against "red states" sending their Democrats as delegates oasis Jan 2016 #39
the level of red state support means NOTHING in the general SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #41
There just may be Democrats in red states who would like to send oasis Jan 2016 #43
Anyone have any recent Sanders numbers in SC? tia uponit7771 Jan 2016 #37
The latest I know of: Dec. 13-17 -YouGov-Clinton 67% Sanders 31% Alfresco Jan 2016 #40
South Carolina will follow the domino effect. snoringvoter Jan 2016 #44
 

Green Forest

(232 posts)
1. Hillary is lying again - she's opposing President Obama's Iran deal by calling for new sanctions.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 05:33 AM
Jan 2016
Hawkish Hillary Clinton and Her Israel-First Political Sugar Daddy Haim Saban

Hillary Clinton’s greatest billionaire backer has been Haim Saban, a dual United States-Israel citizen and hardline supporter of Israel, who has openly commented, “I’m a one-issue guy, and my issue is Israel.”

By Stephen Sniegoski -
Jun 15, 2015

With a net worth estimated at $3 billion, Saban is ranked by Forbes magazine as the 143rd richest person in the United States.

When asked last July how much he would give to Hillary Clinton’s campaign, he responded, “As much as is needed.”

Saban’s support for the Clintons goes back to Bill Clinton’s presidency when Saban and his wife slept in the Lincoln bedroom on a number of occasions, a privilege reserved for only the largest donors to the Democratic Party.

Saban has supported Hillary in her senatorial and 2008 presidential campaigns and he, along with his Saban Family Foundation, donated from $10 million to $25 million to the Clinton Foundation.The paleoconservative commentator Scott McConnell writes that in Hillary’s current run for the presidency, Haim Saban is her “major financial backer: one could go so far as to say that he and his donor circle constitute her ‘base’ or at least a significant part of it.”


Read more: http://mycatbirdseat.com/2015/06/91758hawkish-hillary-clinton-and-her-israel-first-political-sugar-daddy-haim-saban/

Hat Tip: Wilms
 

Green Forest

(232 posts)
3. No one you love is still being held hostage by Iran while Hillary ATTACKS the Iran deal.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 06:05 AM
Jan 2016
Shane Bauer knows firsthand what it’s like to be a prisoner in Iran. And after news broke Saturday morning about the exchange that delivered four imprisoned Americans, he had plenty to say about Hillary Clinton’s response to the developments in Iran.

In a series of tweets posted late Saturday night, Bauer, who is now a senior reporter at Mother Jones, called Clinton’s appeal for more sanctions “totally irresponsible” and accused her of constantly inflaming tensions with Iran.

“Seriously, why would Hillary call for more sanctions *now*? As far as we know, 4 of the Americans are still in Iran. Totally irresponsible,” he tweeted.

Bauer also tweeted that while he was imprisoned in Iran, “whenever I heard Hillary’s voice, my heart would sink. All she ever does with Iran is inflame tensions.”

He expressed shock, or perhaps sarcasm, at the fact that Clinton — the Democratic front-runner in a narrow primary of three — was calling for sanctions, rather than Republican front-runners Donald Trump or Ted Cruz.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/iran-prisoner-shane-bauer-slams-hillary-clinton-217891
 

Green Forest

(232 posts)
6. Why is Hillary irresponsibly attacking Pres. Obama's Iran deal and calling for new sanctions?
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 06:30 AM
Jan 2016

That is not continuing Obama's legacy, it is undermining it on the same day as sanctions were lifted but while there are still FOUR hostages in Iran.

In this, she is ahead of any GOP criticism! She is a neocon through and through. Do you or any Hillary fan approve? I call bullshit on her continuing President Obama's legacy; she is more in line with Dick Cheney with respect to Iran, calling Iranians her enemies in a recent debate.

How can you support this type of foreign policy?

As for SC, it is good that the folks she bused in have short memories of Bill's racist dog whistles there in 2008, although I am sure Sen. Clyburn has not.

ebayfool

(3,411 posts)
7. She brings up Iran and sanctions in this speech - she opened the door for the subject in this topic.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 06:40 AM
Jan 2016

Yes?

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
42. The two subjects are related...
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:55 AM
Jan 2016

...the article notes that Clinton received a very enthusiastic response to her statement that she would "defend Obama's legacy". But on the very day that the Obama administration announced that Iran would be releasing 4 prisoners and only hours after sanctions had been formally lifted, Clinton said we need more sanctions -- clearly undermining Obama's efforts w.r.t. Iran.

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
38. So what?! If they break the agreements they've made then new sanctions should be set...
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:42 AM
Jan 2016

... what's the issue here?

ebayfool

(3,411 posts)
5. Owned the room? The authors are obviously biased. See the reception to both speeches yourselves...
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 06:25 AM
Jan 2016

Polite applause for both Hillary and Bernie throughout both of their speeches. Boisterous? Hardly.
The article linked makes it sound like a shutout, which is not what the video shows. They both gave fine speeches and the audience looked to me like they were receptive to both. We should judge the speeches on the merits and not on the cheerleaders reviews!


Sanders



Clinton


ebayfool

(3,411 posts)
9. Or you can, ya know ... see for yourself?
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 06:54 AM
Jan 2016

I linked both speeches so you don't have to take anyone's word for it. The audio is quite good!

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
27. The poster's speakers are fine
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:50 AM
Jan 2016

It's the fingers in the the ears and the blinders on the eyes that are causing the problem.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
13. I have no problem with the audio
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 07:29 AM
Jan 2016

I have the volume turned incredibly low because I don't want to wake up the house. The audio is fine.

I very clearly heard Hillary play the "vote for me because I'm a woman" card again.

unapatriciated

(5,390 posts)
18. audio is fine
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 08:22 AM
Jan 2016

I did not hear boisterous applauding for either candidate like suggested in your linked article.

I live in North Carolina and have see the growing support for Senator Sanders. I have seen lots of Bernie bumper stickers not one Clinton bumper sticker and unfortunately a few Trump bumper stickers. Although my employor does not allow political discussions at work I have heard customers talk about supporting Sanders no one is talking about Clinton. Unfortunately this is an Red state. But many of us are working to change that.

unapatriciated

(5,390 posts)
22. I noticed that too.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:05 AM
Jan 2016

Sanders may have spoken at that event as well, but a couldn't find one.

For some reason my opinion regarding this event and what is going on in my own neighborhood is reason for another Duer to send me unsolicited pms, that are insulting and confrontational.

unapatriciated

(5,390 posts)
24. I did but before I could finish my alert...
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:25 AM
Jan 2016

The pms disappeared with a notice that the account was terminated and name removed. Funny thing is that the person who was sending the pms has the same name or very similar as another duer. They were upset with me for posting in this thread. Claimed I was putting myself out as an "authority" on South Carolina.


edited to add another strange thing regarding the pms. The poster who sent me the pms just a few minuets ago seems to have been removed Jan 1, 1970. I'm in a time warp

unapatriciated

(5,390 posts)
48. I tried but the pms and content in my inbox stated this
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 12:36 PM
Jan 2016

Name removed Message auto-removed 8:13 AM
Name removed Message auto-removed 8:13 AM
Name removed Message auto-removed 8:13 AM
Name removed Message auto-removed 8:13 AM
Name removed Message auto-removed 8:13 A

It also stated that privileges were revoked when clicking on name removed in my inbox.
yet my sent mail folder had the name of sender and content still there. The person who sent me the pms is still an active member. I posted a question regarding this in ATA forum.

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
15. Thanks for the post, Alfresco.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 07:53 AM
Jan 2016

But anything that points HRC in any kind of a positive light will get the usual swarm if posted in GD-P.

It makes one wonder whether some stay on-line 24/7 just for the chance to trash HRC.











 

Green Forest

(232 posts)
19. Pretending you can't hear comparative videos' audio feed which disprove the reporter's claim is silliness.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 08:35 AM
Jan 2016

Carry on.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
29. You do understand that the term 'fair and unbiased observer' is one that must be given by
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:56 AM
Jan 2016

others, including members of each 'side' and not a term that has any validity when self applied. 'I am fair and unbiased, because I say so. Also gorgeous, brilliant and witty.'
You support one of the candidates, thus you are not unbiased, which is word meaning 'impartial'. To be impartial you have to be neutral. If you have a preference you are not neutral, not impartial and not unbiased.
It is not honest to both have a preference and claim to have no preference.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
26. It's flat out stupid to not constantly question the veracity of all reporters on all things.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:48 AM
Jan 2016

Please see 'run up to the Iraq War' and 'New York Times' for materials supporting my assertion.

What materials support your assertion that reporters are always perfectly honest and direct in reporting?

oasis

(49,387 posts)
30. Hillary was impressive.SC's Dems are confident they're backing the GE
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:16 AM
Jan 2016

winner. I trust their political instincts.

oasis

(49,387 posts)
35. She WINS SC's delegates to the Democratic convention.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:35 AM
Jan 2016

Party delegates are an essential element in the nomination process.

oasis

(49,387 posts)
39. You're against "red states" sending their Democrats as delegates
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:45 AM
Jan 2016

to the Democratic National Convention?

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
41. the level of red state support means NOTHING in the general
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:47 AM
Jan 2016

sad fact - i do not like it - but it is a fact

oasis

(49,387 posts)
43. There just may be Democrats in red states who would like to send
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:59 AM
Jan 2016

delegates to the Democratic National Convention to select the Democratic Party's nominee for the GE. Perhaps in that small way they can be under the illusion that they are participants in our democracy.

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