What a goddamn strawman...This entire argument about paying for healthcare is based on the idea that U.S. costs are necessarily sky high to provide good care. They are not!

The United States health care system is the most expensive in the world, but this report and prior editions consistently show the U.S. underperforms relative to other countries on most dimensions of performance. Among the 11 nations studied in this report—Australia, Canada, France, Germany, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, the United Kingdom, and the United States—the U.S. ranks last, as it did in the 2010, 2007, 2006, and 2004 editions of Mirror, Mirror. Most troubling, the U.S. fails to achieve better health outcomes than the other countries, and as shown in the earlier editions, the U.S. is last or near last on dimensions of access, efficiency, and equity.


http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror

Even Cuba with a very, very poorly funded system does better!

Figures from the World Health Organization clearly show that The United States lags behind 36 other countries in overall health system performance ranging from infant mortality, to adult mortality, to life expectancy.

20 countries in Europe and four countries in Asia have a better life expectancy than the U.S. If you are a male between the ages of 15 and 59, your chances of dying are higher in the U.S. (140 per thousand) than in Canada, 95, Costa Rica 127, Chile 134, and Cuba, 138.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/blake-fleetwood/cuba-has-better-medical-c_b_19664.html

It is not about having enough money, it's about capitalists sucking the blood out of the populace like the slimey leeches they are.

...totality?!

Should be simple, he's had time and got staff now

Don't rely on other people to do your work for you. It is a well known fact that the U.S. pays more for healthcare than any other country. If you don't know that then it's on you to find the information.

... proposed numbers on replacing the for profit system and no placing it on the backs of the tax payer or the employer.

NOT ONE

First, my comment responded to your claim that nobody is providing numbers on where the United States compares to other countries in terms of spending on healthcare.

Second, Bernie proposed legislation in 2013 for a single payer system. It is my understanding that his current plan will be similar to that one with small differences due to changes in the ACA that will end up making the overall plan cheaper than it would have been previously.

Thirdly (as a bonus), healthcare is paid for by the taxpayer and employers already. It's called insurance premiums. Single payer systems simply cost less and will save the average person money. Period.

... for both ACA and single payer?

He needs to put out some details with numbers so folk can gut check it themselves

Look up the 2013 bill. The new plan will be similar.

Most interesting. All of the countries mentioned in the articles have one thing the US does not. Tort reform. We will NEVER have per capita health expenses in line with other countries until we have tort reform. The Bern knows this, yet he's voted AGAINST tort reform at least twice. Bowing to the influence of the powerful ABA? Doesn't sound like our Bernie.

And it made ZERO difference in insurance premiums.

The purpose of tort reform is to protect corporations from paying for their negligence.

And they also have it in France, the UK, Canada and EVERY developed country that has universal healthcare. I guess the US is exceptional. Malpractice insurance is a BIG part of each doctor's budget. Much of what they do is defensive medicine, and not needed for treatment. This is a big component of why our healthcare is so expensive.

got tort reform under Jeb and malpractice premiums continued to go up. All tort reform did was improve insurance company profit margins.

That what we're interested in here in Iowa.

My suggestion would be to hold a Bake Sale.

Where is it?

Hold your horses.

He's been in Congress for 15 years. He should have an idea by now.

He released a bill in 2013. You even mentioned it in your OP, I believe. Of course he has an idea of how he's going to pay for it.

instead of making everyone wait until after Iowa and New Hampshire.

In fact he's on record saying this new plan will be similar to the 2013 version but with minor tweaks due to updates in the ACA which will make it more cost effective. I suspect the campaign will release the details of the plan within an hour or so of the debate so Hillary and her team don't have time to rummage through it. The rest of us, however, will have all the time in the world to look it over once it comes out.

Based on what a supporter of his implied that he might do today?

You're funny.

If he fails to do so, then you have every right to criticize him for that.

So, I'm going with that.

Which it seems was based on nothing more than an implication you drew from a tweet.

... pay for it.

I'm starting to become disillusioned at his offering of unicorns... thought he'd do better

Don't fund it at all.

I mean, it's not like he calls himself a Progressive or anything...

Then he can come out and say it.

And I can't find his fucking health care plan on his fucking 'How Bernie Plans To Pay For His Proposals Page'. Can you fucking help me find it if I am just fucking missing it?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027538997

we just are not getting it yet

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my spouse and i do not have ins because when i checked it out under the aca it would be about 28% of our estimated income to actually use it......and it would not cover some of our main medical expenses,chiropractor,vision and dental

8% on the premium and 10% each for the 6 grand out of pocket

<shrugs>

i am not concerned about how to pay for it, the details will change no matter what is said during campaign

but i am concerned about establishing healthcare as a human right,not a privilege for the well to do

I imagine you'll get your answers soon.

I'm just happy some one wants to go.

And how does she plan to pay for it?

More of the same and 32 million still uninsured.

It's not like it's never been done before.

Vermont tried to adopt single payer and was unable to do so. The ACA is not perfect but it is far better than the old system

We saw how far that went.

...to provide health care on par with that already provided by most other first world nations with significantly smaller budgets is just ludicrous. There is no shortage of money to pay for single payer health care. The only shortage is in the will to make it a national priority and to get it done.

...to every American family that no longer has to BUY questionable "Insurance" from the For Profit maggots.

Why do so many in the Democratic Party insist on subsidizing a parasitic Industry that:

*Manufactures NOTHING

*Provides NO useful service

*Creates NO Value Added Wealth ?

We get rid of the Health Insurance Industry, we save 15% right off the top.
More savings when we can use our combined voices for Collective Bargaining with the Health Care Providers and BIG PHARM.

Our money will go to actual Health Care,
not private jets, yachts, and new Summer Homes in Aspen for Insurance Execs and Lobbyists.

If that doesn't explain it,
I can't help you.
Please think this through before jerking a knee or repeating old Republican talking points.

(BTW, maggots provide a useful service,
so it is not fair to the maggots to compare them to the For Profit "Insurance" scammers)

Basically, the average family saves about $2,500 a year over premiums and that doesn't consider deductibles.

I don't pay premiums as it's a perk of my job, so my taxes WILL go up, but I'm fine with about $500 a year because I still won't have deductibles and the boss probably would take the savings and pay us more. We do it to attract good candidates.

Check out the Sanders group for a link.

On to the Debate.

Buh-bye to at least one of the current memes.

Now all we can hear is the loud clamor of "Payroll Taxes" over and over and over. People earning over $10 million a year...will practically be living in poverty.

yet you ask about healthcare

and such. We've built those 800+ foreign airbases and by god we're going to keep the reasons going to justify them. I mean, think of all the wasted money if we just, gasp, closed some of them.

It's actually the full employment plan for the formerly middle class who can't make a living wage because the unions have faded. Oh, and forget getting employed stateside...wounded, PTSD, lousy job market, etc.

Thanks for mentioning it. Guess I did rant on a bit. Oh well, beats screaming and cursing.

Do tell me more about how Sanders doesn't know how he'll pay for his plans? Full disclosure: the timing of my post makes you look like a political newcomer; this was not unintentional.

I've just skimmed the announcement, but it looks, on the surface, to be exactly what you mentioned...