2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWINNERS and LOSERS from the 4th Democratic Presidential Debate, Washington Post
The fourth Democratic presidential debate -- and the last one before the Iowa caucuses and New Hampshire primary next month -- is in the books. The best and the worst from the night are below. And make sure to check out our annotated debate transcript!
WINNERS
* BERNIE SANDERS: Yes, Sanders has one volume: Shouting. And, yes, he got tripped up a few times during the debate on his voting record -- especially on guns. But, throughout the debate's first hour -- the hour when most people, especially on the east coast and in the midwest, were watching -- he was the prime mover in virtually every discussion from Wall Street reform to healthcare to climate change. He was on offense, accusing Hillary Clinton of half-measures and political caution at a moment when boldness is required.
Sanders held his own in the foreign policy focused second hour of the debate, something he had failed to do in debates past. And, he had one of his best moments of the debate at an unlikely time -- in response to a question about his criticism of Bill Clinton's behavior. Sanders turned the question into one focused on how the campaign he is running is about policy not personal differences -- to much applause.
More than anything he said though, it was the passion and disruption that Sanders oozed from every pore over the two hours that should convince Democrats on the fence about the race into his camp. Sanders effectively positioned himself as the anti-status quo candidate in this race, a very good place to be in this electoral environment.
* MARTIN O'MALLEY: Early in the debate, I had the Maryland governor pegged for the "loser" category because he was doing the one thing I hate: Complaining about how little time you have to talk. The truth is that when one candidate is in the 50 in national polling, another is in the 40s and a third is in the, well, twos, the candidate in the twos shouldn't get as many questions.
But, to O'Malley's credit, he turned the corner on getting ignored and by the end of the debate was downright likable. Will it change anything about his minuscule support in Iowa and New Hampshire? No. But kudos to him. He did well in an impossible situation.
One other important note about O'Malley: He tipped the scales to Sanders during a pitched fight between the Vermont Senator and Clinton over Wall Street reform. O'Malley chimed in by bashing Clinton as a defender of the same old same old when it came to bank behavior -- doing Sanders a major favor in the process.
* Rand Paul: The Kentucky Senator isn't going to be the Republican presidential nominee. But, he may have a future as a professional political tweeter. Paul's counter-programming of the Democratic debate via Twitter was sardonic and fun -- two things politics can always use more of.
*President Obama: Clinton went out of her way, repeatedly, to praise what the current president had done in office -- from Obamacare to Iran and back. Sanders sought to downplay his differences with Obama by noting that "he and I are friends." Had O'Malley had time to talk, I am certain he would have praised Obama too.
LOSERS
* HILLARY CLINTON: The former Secretary of State was, as always, solid. And, at times -- like in her closing statement on the water in Flint, Michigan -- she was outstanding. Her knowledge -- both the depth and the breadth of it -- is on full display in these debate settings.
So, why is she in the loser column? Because she did nothing in the debate to slow the momentum that Sanders is building in Iowa and New Hampshire. Aside from guns, where Clinton scored a clean hit on Sanders, she was unable to effectively cast him as a pie-in-the-sky idealist and herself as the only person who could truly fight -- and win -- for Democratic priorities.
Time and again, she found herself boxed into defending a status quo that the American public -- Democrats and Republicans alike -- are dissatisfied with. This tweet from the New York Times Nicholas Kristof perfectly captures that sentiment:
--"Hillary Clinton is eminently knowledgeable but she's in effect calling for continuity when lots of people want discontinuity". Nicholas Kristof, 7:03pm, 17 Jan. 2016.
The Clinton-as-cautious-pragmatist vs Sanders-as-idealist-fighter is not a good dynamic for the former Secretary of State.
* Sunday night debates: Let's call the Democratic debate schedule what it is: ridiculous. A Saturday debate just before Christmas. A Sunday night debate just before a federal holiday. No debate from now until AFTER the Iowa caucuses and the New Hampshire primary. Seriously? Say what you will about the Republican National Committee's attempts to influence the debate calendar. It pales in comparison to the travesty the Democratic National Committee has made of its own debates. Period.
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DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)You didn't mention that the writer is Chris Cleezy.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)That very info was in numerous articles by the MSM...finally. Bernie won handily in every (reported) focus group, from almost every MSM writer (sorry this one bothers you so much) and the online searches, and on and on. It was Bernie's night. Coming from 50 points behind to even or ahead of the Anticipated One. That's not chopped liver.
We've heard Hillary and frankly, it appears that many...not just Chris Cleezy...is not buying it this time around, either. I believe that Hillary/Clinton Fatigue has set in...last night did absolutely nothing to reverse that trend.
appalachiablue
(41,168 posts)Thanks for the reminder of Bernie's clear focus groups wins and how far he's risen, dramatically in such a short period esp. for those who don't want it acknowledged for obvious reasons. Amazing how he gets better and better as his message spreads.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)appalachiablue
(41,168 posts)loud and clear. Sanders has the stamina, endurance and pace of people half his age. And then some!
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)My mother taught music for decades...enjoying every moment of it. She lived to be 94 and still healthy, except her heart just gave out from her daily runs and then walks.
appalachiablue
(41,168 posts)I loved the people and work and so had tremendous energy and good productivity. It's usually like that and wonderful when people find endeavors and passions that inspire. It's so clear that Bernie loves and believes in what he's doing, and it spreads. By far he's the most inspirational speaker I've ever seen. Also the way his presence commands a room naturally I've never observed. It's remarkable. (At an event just before he announced). And I've seen a fair amount of them in that field including Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy and Howard Dean.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)as they say in the South.
appalachiablue
(41,168 posts)Fairly last minute I located an Inaugural event for Pres. Obama in '09 that was so reasonable cost wise and we had a blast. A lovely, fun event held in the new atrium of the Smithsonian Portrait Gallery & Mus. of Amer. Art. Nice beverages, snacks, dancing and music performed by the very talented Anita Baker. I'll post if I can find pix.
appalachiablue
(41,168 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)face...solid.
appalachiablue
(41,168 posts)as an avatar but it disappeared after a week somehow.
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