They refuse to see what is right in front of their eyes.

To three of them. Especially tRump, she is behind him by the largest margin. Bernie wins against all of them in poll after poll.
Not to mention the republicans hate her with the intensity of ten thousand white hot Suns, the republicans who are not happy with tRump will show up to vote against her. If HRC is our nominee we will essentially be electing tRump. It's not rocket science.
Personally there is no chance I will vote for her, I'm not voting for the status quo ever again. I am choosing to stop the insanity. I am waiting for someone to explain to me how voting for the same shit is going to change anything.

In my lifetime we've never seen what is going on before with the electorate. That's why I don't buy any of the polls nationally that show Bernie behind. A lot of people who are going to vote for him have never voted before. Most don't have land lines. All of the conventional ways to try and make an educated guess are useless for predicting anything with this race.

When Bernie broke Obama's record in Dec with 2.3 million contrubitions I became confident that he'll win. It's not guaranteed but that's an A+ sign.

That enthusiasm tells the story for me.

that have cost American jobs, and so has Bernie.

Hillary has supported most of those agreements.


I can't help but wonder if that does not account for part of the polling differences between Hillary and Bernie vs. Trump-- Bernie is leading Trump by a wide margin, but Hillary is virtually tied with him.

Bernie's anti-trade agreement position negates Trump's position, but in a Hillary-Trump race--- if you're someone who rates opposition to trade agreements as your top priority, then you have to vote for Trump (I don't feel that way personally, but there might be some members of manufacturing unions who DO).

people desperately want change. Dems and Repubs have wised up - tired of the same old.

'Pragmatism' is a dog-whistle for Status Quo. Not rocking the boat is pragmatic.

Trump supporters are voting their fears. Sanders supporters are expressing their hope.

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will likely side with Trump because they are tired of the SOS too. And I do not say this as negatives against Hillary or Obama. The US needs a swift kick in the ass, and I rather it be by Bernie than Trump.

The difference between a "k" and an "l" can be trememdous!

Came ti say exactly but it's been said.


Word.

... I'm not into that at all.

This is isn't 08, there's no democratic congress that's going to follow the dem president...

Hillary has already proffered what she will be able to do unilaterally and that's a start

is not in accordance with the Constitution. I bit my tongue on some of the things that President Obama has done, but I cannot help but shudder if the right ever elects someone like Cheney and this paradigm is still in place. Not doing something may be bad in the short term, but doing something that is barely within the bounds of the Constitution or even outside those bounds is much, much worse.

I could see a Cheney-like RWer slapping citizens into Guantanamo for protesting something then being labled terrorists. Not an America I wish to see.

Trump would try to dictate to a Republican congress and they would rebuff him. Sanders would go hat in hand and might just get something done. Remember to get a deal, you give something to get something.

That's why they're letting the teabaggers run wild. Because the morons who fired up the teabaggers thought they'd be able to placate their monster with platitudes while maintaining the status quo.

Obviously, it didn't work and their monster is out of control. Because they know the government isn't working for them, and their rage has been misdirected towards "the other".

Put Clinton on the GE ballot, and that rage elects whomever her opponent is.

Put Sanders on the GE ballot, and he can tap into some of that rage against the government. No, he'll never get the truly crazy, but he can get some of the people who feel that government is no longer interested in the people.

Which means Republican Congressmen suddenly have a horrible draconian choice for their next primary. Either they get bloodied by supporting the "white power" aspects of the teabagger movement, or they get bloodied by supporting the "change" aspects without the "white power" aspects.

In the GE, they face a Democrat no longer beholden to the idiotic "Republican-lite" strategy we've failed with for the last 30 years and actually wants to make the government work for the people again. If the Republican took the "change" route, they'll probably lose the primary. If they took the "white power" route, they'll probably lose the general.

And when it happens, you'll be here to insist you knew this would happen all along and never really liked Clinton.

Hillary is the ultimate status quo candidate. Nothing could be more same-old same-old than returning the same married couple to the White House that left 16 year ago.

I was watching The Nightly a few days ago, and Larry tossed out the question "Why is there no enthusiasm for Hillary to be the first woman president?" His guest, a 30ish female comedian, answered "She's had her time in the White House. It was as first lady, but still. It feels like we've been there already."

I strongly believe that Bernie is our best chance for retaining the White House.

It's time for the country to move forward with Bernie.

Hillary supporters somehow think that electing the first female POTUS will make it all right. It would be a short term high followed by the reality of Wall Street bought politicians running the country for their own interests.

Is running scared and is trying their best to whistle past the graveyard, they have no real grasp of what is happening in this country but WE not the T-party are going to take our country back....


I have been around or a long time, I lived through the great times of this country, I may not be around long enough to see the total return to what we were but I truly believe I am seeing the beginning if that movement

And that means electing Bernie Sanders, a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity that can't be missed or
derailed without paying a very dear price, that we cannot afford. <-- this is what "we can't afford".

Their infiltration of our party is about to come to a screeching halt.

No more liebermans, no more nelsons, no more feinsteins, no more mckaskills, no more backstabbing equivocators, no more third rail 'pragmatists' that stand in the way of progress!