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pnwmom

(108,991 posts)
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 05:43 PM Sep 2012

From WAPost: We STILL don't know what percent of taxes Mitt actually paid over the 20 years.

Why? Because all the Price Waterhouse letter-writer did was average the various rates Mitt paid each year -- but that doesn't take into account which years Mitt had high incomes, and which years he had SUPER high incomes. If he had SUPER high incomes the same years he had the lowest taxes (which is likely), then his overall rate of taxation could be much lower than the 20% figure they're claiming now.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/expert-romney-may-have-paid-less-in-taxes-over-20-years-than-it-appears/2012/09/21/41b27e00-041e-11e2-91e7-2962c74e7738_blog.html

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Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, tells me there are two ways to calculate it. First, the campaign could simply have averaged the rates against each other — treating the rates themselves as a collection of individual numbers — to calculate the overall average rate.

The second way to calculate it would be to add up all the income Romney earned over the 20 years, add up the total amount he paid in taxes during that period, and calculate the overall average rate paid that way.

The Romney campaign confirmed to me just now that the 20 percent figure was calculated the former way — it represents an average of the rates themselves.

Williams tells me that this is a far less meaningful way to calculate the overall rate than the second way, which actually calculates the real tax rate Romney paid over the period.

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From WAPost: We STILL don't know what percent of taxes Mitt actually paid over the 20 years. (Original Post) pnwmom Sep 2012 OP
If there is a deceitful way to present it Willard will find it. Vincardog Sep 2012 #1
surely they calculated it BOTH ways, and only told us the more self-serving answer. unblock Sep 2012 #2
Very high likelihood of that I suspect HereSince1628 Sep 2012 #4
The average for the highest tax rates for the period is 36.245 TheOther95Percent Sep 2012 #3
Weighted average is the only way to measure this central scrutinizer Sep 2012 #5
Truly. Romney is hiding something AWFUL. And the media is not buying his latest BS. progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #6

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
4. Very high likelihood of that I suspect
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 06:09 PM
Sep 2012

I was told to never average averages unless it was a requirement of the information you need, because averaging averages messes with the representation of variance overall.

TheOther95Percent

(1,035 posts)
3. The average for the highest tax rates for the period is 36.245
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 06:07 PM
Sep 2012

For seventeen years out of the twenty year period ("the period&quot the highest tax rate ranged from 35 to 39.6% He paid substantially less than the average. One thing I'm sure about, I paid a lot more as a percentage of my income than he did. I pulled out my tax returns for the last 10 years and I paid closer to 28% in most years.

central scrutinizer

(11,661 posts)
5. Weighted average is the only way to measure this
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 07:07 PM
Sep 2012

Suppose you earn an A in a one credit PE class and an F in a five credit history class. Under Romney's way, your GPA is 2.00 - you pass!
Actually your GPA is 0.66 and you are on double secret probation.

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
6. Truly. Romney is hiding something AWFUL. And the media is not buying his latest BS.
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 07:13 PM
Sep 2012

This is what happens when you lie to often, when you treat the press like garbage, and no one likes you.

You know, if you like someone, you're willing to accept things from them that you might not let others get away with. But after all these months of stonewalling, for Romney to release a useless LETTER that summarizes the tax rate for 20 years.. is just fucking slap in the face to the Americans, and to the media.

The RNC has to be asking themselves wtf they thought it was a good idea to run someone they didn't vett.

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