2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBiden going after Bernie like the good "Establishment" VP he is.
Vice President Biden on Wednesday offered criticism of "socialism" during a speech abroad, seemingly a shot at Bernie Sanders, a self-described democratic socialist and Democratic candidate for president.
Biden made the remark in a keynote address at the World Economic Forum in Switzerland, where he called for "a more progressive tax code" and a strengthening of the middle class.
"Keeping billions of dollars in offshore tax havens might be good for your shareholders, but it robs your own country," Biden told those in attendance at the international event.
Biden called on corporate executives to shift their tactics and put a greater emphasis on workers, saying a proportionate tax code was a component of restructuring to focus on long-term growth.
Establishment Joe. Willing to do anything to hold onto power.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/266483-biden-we-dont-need-socialism
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)I thought last week biden practically endorsed Bernie. But that was good biden, this must be bad biden.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Them as the case may be.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)CommonSenseDemocrat
(377 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Somebody got to him. You better believe it.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)but if they think for a second they are going to shove biden down our throats after hillary flames out, they can stick that up their collective asses.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Already to step in. Do they care what we think? NO, they do not.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511032682
Andrea Mitchell suggests if Hillary loses SC after losing NH and IA that the Democratic Party would start looking elsewhere. She suggests the only place to look would be the Vice President.
Ed Rendell replied like this: The VP by withdrawing by deciding not to run, held himself open to that contingency.
He goes to say that if Hillary Clinton has legal problems, he (Biden) is available.
He says if Hillary's legal problems continue, if Bernie wins SC on top of IA and NH it would mean a real race.
He further says they would have to see March 1 after the smoke clears. He says it's not likely to happen but it could be the eventuality and is certainly out there. By that I assume he means Biden would step in.
Harold Ford also spoke out on MSNBC about what might happen.
Instead of celebrating the rise of a new star, establishment Democrats are freaking out about the possibility of Bernie Sanders winning both Iowa and New Hampshire.
Case in point: former Tennessee congressman Harold Ford, Jr., who on MSNBC agreed with Joe Scarborough that establishment Dems could recruit John Kerry or Joe Biden to run if Bernie sweeps both early primary states.
SO...where are they going with this? Whose idea is it that Joe Biden is now free to step in if Bernie takes the 1st 3 states?
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)Democratic Party is starting to look like the circus in the GOP.
Rich folks are damn stupid.
Beacool
(30,250 posts)I wonder if some here buy tin foil by the crate...........
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)This is a test run, not a conspiracy.
The very idea of saving Biden in case he was needed later is sad. He's a good man, and he should not be even looking like he's going along with Ford, Rendell, and who ever else is doing it.
The primary is not over yet, may surprise us all either way.
But the fact they are sending up a test balloon and no one is contradicting them...speaks volumes about how they are feeling toward the left.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)by letting himself be used as a tool by the establishment he served for so long.
but everyone is a tool for the 1% too bad he cant see it.
SCantiGOP
(13,873 posts)Really getting hard to come hear and read this mock outrage.
Biden is a true public servant and one of the least corruptible people to ever serve in the Senate.
I'll be casting my vote soon in the SC primary and you are not helping his case.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)Or steal it from Bernie? Not gonna happen
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,873 posts)If I say someone is the least intelligent person I have ever met, according to your logic I am saying that they are still intelligent?
Interesting use of language.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)get in line? First if you are serious that what someone says on this site can in anyway decide your vote, then you don't know anything about the issues to begin with. I find that common among the general population but unusual on a political site.
Mock outrage? I assure you that many Bernie supporters are pissed as hell and can't understand how anyone could be fooled by Clinton let alone politically educated people. The outrage is real and the ass kissing ain't gonna happen. Go vote for Hillary. Just remember if you get it, that you caused it.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)he was a true public servant when he helped shove Clarence Thomas onto the Supreme Court. And the Bankruptcy Bill, the one that was a sweetheart deal for the banks but fucked over everyone else. Yeah, that one screamed "public servant." Joe's time is done. Thank goddess. If you're going to vote for Hillary just because someone said something bad about your hero, I don't think we could count on your solid vote anyway.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)Moreover, if he's intentionally undermining Bernie.... Oopsy! under the bus. I will personally kick him there.
But I thought he was smarter, and had better morals than that. By which I mean, that he would not undermine the democratic process. Hope I am correct.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)And no way he could win, either.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)and remember Joe has called many of the war perpetrators good people. He hasn't the balls to take on the problems. He's a nice guy and I actually like him but he will be more of the same as well.
Do none of you really not see Karl Rove behind these attacks. I mean Bernie Sanders is a great
guy but this is getting riduculous.
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)I'm seeing a lot of that here from new posters lately.
It's the Hillary affect: To attack or infect, as a disease.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)That what Biden said was orchestrated by Rove? I got a bridge for sale. Cheap.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)Nowhere does Biden mention Bernie's name and I am sure Biden is well aware that Bernie supports a progressive tax code. While he may consider himself a Democratic Socialist he is not looking to turn our economy into a purely socialist system.
From everything I have seen it appears Biden really likes Bernie, I really don't think he meant to aim this statement at him. The media is just looking to stir up controversy here, let's not fall for it.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)than the people of this country.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)with the thought of a primary challenge.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Affluent career politician says what?
ecstatic
(32,728 posts)Most democrats are for well regulated capitalism. We have a big tent, and a large group of people under our tent vote democratic even when it means higher taxes. But Sanders nomination could push them to the other side.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)hauled over the coals for saying the stuff he said about Hillary last week.
ecstatic
(32,728 posts)back in 2012? Lots of possibilities ranging from just speaking the truth or a little revenge served cold. Who cares though? You're worried about the wrong things.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)We wouldn't want to get between Obama/Biden and the TPP
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,335 posts)pacalo
(24,721 posts)Other popular Democrats who spoke out for the public's interest seem to have been, in effect, neutered by the party by giving them something else to do:
Howard Dean (&, btw, his effective 50-state strategy is ignored by party leadership, which is weird);
and just when Russ Feingold had established his own grass-roots PAC made up of ordinary people who admire his integrity & values, he's chosen as 'a special envoy to the Great Lakes region of Africa'.
/based on my own gut feeling.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)he'd need Bernie supporters.
pacalo
(24,721 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)pacalo
(24,721 posts)just made my day.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Beacool
(30,250 posts)Last edited Thu Jan 21, 2016, 01:50 AM - Edit history (1)
Now he's been pushed under the bus.
My, my, how fickle they are.......
comradebillyboy
(10,174 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)Biden probably doesn't consider Sanders a socialist. Biden said earlier this month, "If Bernie Sanders never said he was a democratic socialist, based on what he's saying people wouldn't be calling him a democratic socialist."
Worldwide, "democratic socialism" usually means government ownership of the means of production plus free elections. Sanders' philosophy is usually called "social democracy." That's why the center-left party in Denmark is the "Social Democrats."
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)moondust
(20,002 posts)Ha! Talk about a captive audience!
(Hey Joe, I think Davos is for those 62 oligarchs who own more than about half the world's total population owns. Reassure them, Joe, reassure them.)
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Must be a slow day at the factory.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)If he can't be believed as being able to take on Sanders, he won't be welcomed into the fray by the establishment that currently favors Clinton.