2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe CNN Democratic Town Hall is being organized by a longtime Iowa Hillary Clinton activist
It's worth noting that the upcoming Democratic Town Hall, in Des Moines, Iowa--is being organized and hosted by the Iowa Democratic Party.
The chairperson of the Iowa Democratic Party is Dr. Andy McGuire. She has been the main source quoted in the articles about this event.
McGuire served on the following:
---Hillary Clinton's National Council of Civic Leaders.
---Women's Leadership Council for Team Hillary in Iowa (a group of Iowa women dedicated to electing Hillary Clinton as the first woman President of the United States in 2016.
http://www.bleedingheartland.com/2015/01/17/three-pros-and-three-cons-of-andy-mcguire-as-iowa-democratic-party-chair-updated/
The Iowa Democratic Party, headed by McGuire, is in charge of all event details, including the logistics that will determine who gets a seat in the audience.
Most importantly--because this is a Town Hall with questions asked by Iowa voters--they'll be deciding who will ask the questions--and ultimately selecting which questions each of the three candidates will be asked.
Anyone else see a bit of a conflict here?
Renew Deal
(81,869 posts)Somebody has to be in charge
BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)only
BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)If they give us the opportunity to email in questions (or we can write to CNN and ask for that
"privilege".... we could get a bunch of people together to write in our own questions. Boy,
would that be fun.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)in front of voters only helps the affable and good-looking.
forest444
(5,902 posts)"Secretary Clinton, how will your life experience as a wife, mother, First Lady, and Secretary of State guide you as President?"
"Senator Sanders, why should America trust a socialist?"
Segami
(14,923 posts)The best thing Bernie supporters can do is spread this info throughout. Make the organizing host aware that there will be many eyeballs watching and weighing how balanced & fair this Town Hall event will be presented to ALL candidates.
Duval
(4,280 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)SOP
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Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)You show up and attack sanders viciously, and baselessly, nothing that you say has any grounding.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)They sort of pushed them to the back. Hillary did great at them but it didn't help them since they sort of had them at inopportune times.
They realized their mistake and now they have to try to make up for it.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... where Iowa State might be able to beat their second #1 team in a row (Kansas) if North Carolina loses before Monday making Kansas #1 then, to go along with the record the state with this when they beat #1 Oklahoma on Monday, Northern Iowa beating #1 North Carolina earlier, and Iowa beating #1 Michigan State earlier. Game is at the same time of this debate at home where people will go to the game instead of being home near their TV sets.
And I wonder how Ed Schultz will be "intro-ing" this debate when he has his first show on RT the hour before this debate starts.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Fair and balanced as DWS?
angrychair
(8,732 posts)For Mrs. Clinton "why are you so awesome and do rainbows seem to follow you?"
Question for Bernie "have you now or have you ever been a member of the communist party"
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)yet choosing to run a DEMOCRATIC primary.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)That meme is so old, it has mold.
It's turned into slime, it's so old.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)Cal33
(7,018 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,372 posts)Everything is a conspiracy.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts).
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)If it's a progressive or moderate democrat they will have strong ties to Clinton. Common sense.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I can't imagine...
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)in a transparent effort to cast Sanders as "out-of-the-mainstream" and "unrealistic" in his goals for America;
2nd- this tactic will backfire on February 1.
It remains true that Clinton is the favorite and Sanders is the underdog. Clinton appears to be doing everything in her power to help Sanders change that dynamic.
If Clinton's campaign was smart, they would stop attacking Sanders and his agenda and simply focus on why they believe their agenda is better for America. If it is true that "Bernie is too liberal" as all of the Clinton surrogates are being programmed to say this cycle, then Clinton should win a straight up debate on the issues and the added to Clinton is that these debates would position Clinton as a relative moderate going into a general election against whichever right-wing nutjob the Republicans nominate. This is Clinton's pathway to victory. It is also Sanders' pathway to victory (the only difference being that Sanders is betting against the Clinton position that he is too liberal for America). Such a debate on the issues is good for the Democratic party in the general election no matter which candidate wins the nominee.
randome
(34,845 posts)1. The MSM is conspiring against Sanders.
2. Planned Parenthood is conspiring against Sanders.
3. The DNC is conspiring against Sanders.
4. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz is conspiring against Sanders.
5. The IT company that works for the DNC is conspiring against Sanders.
6. The polling companies are conspiring against Sanders.
7. And, of course, those of us on DU who support the eventual nominee (Clinton or Sanders) are conspiring against Sanders.
8. Human Rights Campaign is conspiring against Sanders.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)[/center][/font][hr]
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Lost all credibility when they mocked people for having a ged
randome
(34,845 posts)You may have mistaken me for someone else.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)[/center][/font][hr]
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)A proud moment
randome
(34,845 posts)I don't even have a college degree myself so I wouldn't mock anyone else for not having one. And getting a GED after some kind of 'life interruption' is to be commended. Just want to set the record straight.
Or is this possibly in reference to Snowden or someone else? If so, I could understand drawing a circle around the things he could never seem to complete but that's not the same as mocking him for 'getting back in the saddle'.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)[/center][/font][hr]
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)A broad brush you were using and what you said at the time about ged recipients was ugly enough for me to remember to this day
Empowerer
(3,900 posts)Maybe YOU don't care about it, but I like it a lot an.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)this TPP proponent has always taken the role
His lists ....... yeah I read them......... are from the pretender
One of these things are not like the others.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)And please don't get a hide on my account. I'll be awake all night.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)[/center][/font][hr]
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)On Thu Jan 21, 2016, 01:57 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
I could tell you what to do with your list. But I would get a hide.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1041064
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Grow up, this also deserves a hide. K-itto is a long term troll and a post like this is still rude and disruptive, they have added nothing to the discussion only moved to insult the other poster. Quit the disruption and move on with your life.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:02 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Bet this stays 3-4.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Troll disposal is above my pay grade.
Subject of the alert isn't hideworthy, imo.
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in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)In the polls going into the Iowa Caucuses. All of a sudden HRH's SUPPORTER, Dr. Andy McGuire, is organizing a town hall to help her candidate!
Naaaaah! No conflict of interest,at all!
HRH is DESPERATE. This is when Bernie has to be especially careful. She's out for blood and will get it any way she has to. Ethics be damned.
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)this blatant set up to undermine bernie will only hasten her plummeting support.
we should welcome it.
the veil is off. all desperate and pandering attempts to take bernie down will spread on sm faster than blue ice out of an airplane lavatory (thanks leslie winkle)
Freddie Stubbs
(29,853 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)1:Bernie goes first
2:Bernie gets tough questions
3:O'Malley goes second
4:Clinton goes last
5:She gets softball questions
this way she can lie about bernie and he won't have chance to respond.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)olddots
(10,237 posts)because this is just show bizz for Hillary and her shallow status quo fans .
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)so maybe it might not be so advantageous to go last.
I don't even know if enough people will see this.
We just had the Black and Brown town hall in Iowa several days ago, and a highly touted debate five days ago.
People may not be that interested.
I guess we'll see.
Interesting question about which is more advantageous--to go first or last.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)brooklynite
(94,699 posts)If the Iowa Caucus results don't work out, complain that you can't trust the results because they're tallied by the IDP...
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)This is Democratic Establishment after all...
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Is one of her biggest financial backers.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Jarqui
(10,130 posts)and let the public know why.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)otherwise it would tend to look like Bernie's "whining" or being "paranoid". Just a thought.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)Did you see the way he put down Jorge Ramos' one-sided bullshit baiting at the Iowa B&B forum? Ramos' daughter works for HRC, and he jumped all over Sanders repeatedly. Sanders made a fool of him by giving straight-up, truthful answers, rather than accepting the memes Ramos was trying to get him into. No Worries! Bernie will make them look like the desperate partisans they are if they try any crap.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)for when Sanders loses yet another debate?
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)kaiden
(1,314 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)The nepotism is astounding!
From DWS.... to who "runs" the data...
there are other examples. (see post #33)
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)I don't fault the leadership of the Iowa Democratic Party for being the leadership of the Iowa Democratic Party. I don't fault the Iowa Democratic Party for hosting this event. But everyone in the nation already strongly suspects the DNC of overt favoritism in this Presidential race, the Iowa Democratic Party knows that. Honestly it isn't that hard to avoid an appearance of favoritism. For one thing make sure both candidate's get to have some supporters present, and for another make sure the questions truly are balanced. There are subtle ways to rig things - like letting one candidate get to see a question in advance - but the sponsors know that there will be people paying attention and if any whiff of scandal comes out it will only hurt Hillary.
Duval
(4,280 posts)Sigh! Keep up the attacks on Bernie, so we can all dig deeper and contribute to him!! That's what I'm going to do.
But, really, this is blatantly biased from the get go and I think it smells to high heaven. Damn!
Thanks for this important alert, CoffeeCat.
HenryWallace
(332 posts)She had an editorial today in our local paper attacking Citizens' United!
She also stresses the need for Democratic turnout at the caucuses.
To me, both these issue seem to benefit Bernie.
Link: http://qctimes.com/news/opinion/editorial/columnists/guest/guest-view-citizens-united-ruling-bolstered-iowa-s-importance/article_e0abada9-ecec-5cb0-a105-7c43b72b4630.html
BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)en masse, I'm beginning to think Bernie is going to win by a landslide.
Go to YouTube and read the comments. The people are on fire.
I'm talking 20 and 21 year olds. I'm soooooo happy!!!
Fearless
(18,421 posts)The less she tries the worse she does... It's almost like she's a pretty crappy candidate or something.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Uhh, I see no problem here.
Why would any democrat like Bernie for instance, object to this?
Should Trump set it up??
Vinca
(50,302 posts)cascadiance
(19,537 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)
the people who select from the audience will call on only plants, as happened once before at a Clinton event?
I wonder in what way, if any, Bernie's people will have some oversight.
It does kind of feel like a Clinton Trojan horse.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)the audience asks the question
BUT WHO SCREENS THE QUESTIONER?
I anticipate a lot of loaded questions if not handled
HONESTLY.
Bernie will kick ass ..... he does well answering questions as we have witnessed on his brunch with Bernie over the many years
Now Hillary? That will be interesting....... she's not so good except with canned answers where she prep on it
Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)She'll deflect, change the subject, obfuscate, ANYTHING but give a straight forward, truthful answer if it will make her look bad.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)I think this a miscalculation by the Hillary group if the forum is handled
HONESTLY.
People are fed up with the status quo and getting shafted by republicans and democrats ....... and they know they have been bullshitted for a while by the power elite that steer both left and right agendas.
I know some might agree with that statement , but the deep state is real
Here's Bernie and who he faces
I mean really?........ its not a joke.
Faux pas
(14,690 posts)beat 'em, cheat 'em.
draa
(975 posts)We have the Establishment. And it sucks lemons.