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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:34 PM Jan 2016

Some Democrats Fear Clinton's Message Is Failing

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Democrats are growing more concerned that the Hillary Clinton-Bernie Sanders contest could turn into a months-long nomination fight damaging to the party.

Most believe Clinton will still capture the nomination. But some say she is failing to respond effectively to Sanders. And that could be both fueling his rise and strengthening the Republican argument against her if she is the Democratic candidate in the fall.

The tightening nature of the race hasn't sparked widespread panic among her supporters yet.

But it's worrying some donors, as well as Bill Clinton and their daughter, Chelsea, who shared her concerns at a meeting with supporters in New York. That's according to people close to the campaign, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the private conversations.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_DEM_2016_CLINTON_CONCERNS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-01-21-17-25-56

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Some Democrats Fear Clinton's Message Is Failing (Original Post) Purveyor Jan 2016 OP
Ya think???? Punkingal Jan 2016 #1
I would change the words "Some Democrats" to "Most Beaucoup Bucks Donors" reformist2 Jan 2016 #42
What is her message? Does she have one? Bread and Circus Jan 2016 #2
"Vote for me" Armstead Jan 2016 #3
! Wilms Jan 2016 #7
And, "I've been trying hard to sound populist so you'll vote for me." merrily Jan 2016 #18
That was last month. Now she's the "reaistric moderate" Armstead Jan 2016 #19
Not even a pragmatic progressive? merrily Jan 2016 #20
Progressive? Heavens to Betsy no Armstead Jan 2016 #27
The home page of the Progressive Policy Institute used to read something like" merrily Jan 2016 #39
Sure does HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #6
Vote for me... Ino Jan 2016 #12
Obviously, Hillary cannnot run on the issues. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #14
There's always charisma. merrily Jan 2016 #21
All I'm gonna say here Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #26
Points for preternaturally. merrily Jan 2016 #30
I suspect they've been planning this for her for a long, long time. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #34
We already have a different evolution of Hillary than we had during the first debate. merrily Jan 2016 #36
I'm telling you, if she actually does lose the nomination to Sanders Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #38
Looking at Latest Threads this evening, I'd say your crystal ball merrily Jan 2016 #40
Her message is: Status Quo Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #44
Her message is brentspeak Jan 2016 #46
What message? Renew Deal Jan 2016 #4
I might actually like "her message". But it ain't hers. Wilms Jan 2016 #5
Remember, she also co-opted choice bits from Sanders' nc4bo Jan 2016 #13
Well, yeah. Wilms Jan 2016 #35
I think a well-fought nomination battle is good for the eventual nominee. Metric System Jan 2016 #8
See 2008 for an example. We won. bklyncowgirl Jan 2016 #9
Agree!!! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2016 #11
I agree. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #15
Great OP from a Bernie supporter! merrily Jan 2016 #22
I wish someone would post that graphic with her and her slogan "NOPE" Cause that's what it is. libdem4life Jan 2016 #10
It really doesn't matter - if Trump or Cruz is the the GOP nominee, the Dem wins by default AJH032 Jan 2016 #16
Worded a bit differently, that's what Jeb! said about the Republican primary. merrily Jan 2016 #23
I see what you are saying AJH032 Jan 2016 #28
I'm not sure you do see what I'm saying. And I don't agree AT ALL that Dimson ran as a moderate. merrily Jan 2016 #31
Widespread Panic? Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #17
Be Afraid Of Losing Your Health Care!!!!! Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #24
It is. She's becoming cranky and nasty just as she did in 2008. Vinca Jan 2016 #25
You mean her "stop being silly idealists and settle for my bread crumbs" message? Still In Wisconsin Jan 2016 #29
"Senseless!" merrily Jan 2016 #32
When a campaign starts to leak this much jeff47 Jan 2016 #33
A bad combination of Morning in America platitudes and sounding tough isn't working. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #37
She is not speaking to me...... glinda Jan 2016 #41
What message? She has changed it so many times that it is hard to keep track of what the message is Bjorn Against Jan 2016 #43
"I'll say anything" just isn't very inspiring. Doctor_J Jan 2016 #45

merrily

(45,251 posts)
20. Not even a pragmatic progressive?
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:23 PM
Jan 2016

Silly me, I assumed she had stopped evolving last month.

Wild night on the board. Is it the letter from the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
39. The home page of the Progressive Policy Institute used to read something like"
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:51 PM
Jan 2016

Welcome to the Progressive Policy Institute
Home of Pragmatic Liberals


http://www.democraticunderground.com/127710158

They dropped the second line at some point.

My hunch is that Tom Tomorrow's "sensible liberal" cartoons were the reason for the change.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
26. All I'm gonna say here
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:31 PM
Jan 2016

Her husband, at least in his prime, was the most preternaturally gifted politician we are likely to see in our lifetimes.

I voted for him twice, I dont think his presidency has aged as well as it could have, specifically some of the now-dated looking decisions, that said the guy just has incredible political chops.

One skill he had in spades back then was, he was a happy warrior (at least, most of the time) he could criticize his enemies and not sound mean doing it. And even if he really wanted to win, he could look chill up on the stump and would end a debate with a smile and a handshake. He never ACTED like he wanted the thing so much that it was gonna make him angry at his opponents.

Compare that to Hillary, clenching her teeth and avoiding Bernie Sanders after the last debate.

And it is indisputable that she doesnt have her husband's raw political abilities. Should she be our nominee, I fear that will be a problem, because I suspect too many of her supporters just think her last name is some magic talisman.

It is not.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
30. Points for preternaturally.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:37 PM
Jan 2016

I could not agree more about Bubba. I also think he is the smartest man I've ever seen. Smartest man, most preternaturally gifted politician, incredibly experienced politician, yet his wife's primary campaigns keep going to bad places.

I can't reconcile all that.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
34. I suspect they've been planning this for her for a long, long time.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:42 PM
Jan 2016

It's not even really a secret. I remember hearing noises to that effect back during Bill's first term.

But just because they've been planning and working towards this for a long time, doesn't mean it is a good idea. It doesn't mean the voters will go for it. I know some of the Bush circle have been planning to get Jeb! into the WH for a long time, too, and you see how well that is working out.

One difference there, though, it doesnt feel to me like Jeb! really wants the thing. With Hillary, there is no question that she does.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
36. We already have a different evolution of Hillary than we had during the first debate.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:46 PM
Jan 2016

She seems to be in fear of losing mode again.

If nothing else, this will be interesting to watch.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
38. I'm telling you, if she actually does lose the nomination to Sanders
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:50 PM
Jan 2016

holy fuck are some people here going to lose their shit.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
13. Remember, she also co-opted choice bits from Sanders'
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:03 PM
Jan 2016

Populist message.

Ditto this. Copycat that and the me-too's are so ridiculous and obviously phoney.


 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
10. I wish someone would post that graphic with her and her slogan "NOPE" Cause that's what it is.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:43 PM
Jan 2016

No, we can't. That's downright energizing. Nope.

AJH032

(1,124 posts)
16. It really doesn't matter - if Trump or Cruz is the the GOP nominee, the Dem wins by default
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:10 PM
Jan 2016

The only message the Democratic nominee would have to deliver is "I'm not crazy" and he/she wins. Easily.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
23. Worded a bit differently, that's what Jeb! said about the Republican primary.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:29 PM
Jan 2016

And it's an even worse general strategy.

Who ever thought Dimson would beat Gore and Kerry?

AJH032

(1,124 posts)
28. I see what you are saying
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:35 PM
Jan 2016

But let's remember that Bush II ran as a "compassionate conservative" (ie, a moderate), and barely won. The GOP front runners have alienated so much of the U.S. that I honestly think any Dem would beat them just by not being them. It's not the best strategy, I agree. But, it's what I believe to be true.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
31. I'm not sure you do see what I'm saying. And I don't agree AT ALL that Dimson ran as a moderate.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:39 PM
Jan 2016
 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
24. Be Afraid Of Losing Your Health Care!!!!!
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:30 PM
Jan 2016

The message is failing because we just spent so much time fighting against all the conservatives who spent years pushing the same message.


 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
29. You mean her "stop being silly idealists and settle for my bread crumbs" message?
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:35 PM
Jan 2016

Who could have imagined that would fall flat? Astounding.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
33. When a campaign starts to leak this much
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:42 PM
Jan 2016

that is an extremely bad sign for the campaign.

Lots of operatives are starting to cover their asses by leaking how in their brilliance they recognized the problems long before everyone else.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
37. A bad combination of Morning in America platitudes and sounding tough isn't working.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:50 PM
Jan 2016

Kinda like Tabasco flavored Pablum.

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