2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumLet's talk about Hillary and her stances on gay marriage
We can start with these.
http://gawker.com/remember-when-hillary-clinton-was-against-gay-marriage-1714147439
The video above is from 2004, when Clinton was a senator. In it, she says I believe marriage is not just a bond but a sacred bond between a man and a woman. The talk continued:
...the fundamental bedrock principle that [marriage] exists between a man and a woman, going back into the midst of history as one of the founding, foundational institutions of history and humanity and civilization, and that its primary, principal role during those millennia has been the raising and socializing of children for the society into which they are to become adults.
A decade prior, she stood by her husband as he signed the Defense of Marriage Act, a piece of legislation that codified gay Americas second-class status. So its fair to say that Hillary Clinton has had a longstanding opposition to gay marriageeither that, or she was too afraid to speak truthfully about her convictions for political reasons, which is really just as bad. Only in 2013, as a presumptive 2016 presidential contender, did Clinton reverse her stance.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/17/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-change-position-same-sex-marriage/
December 1999: Clinton told a group of gay contributors at a fundraiser that she was against the "don't ask, don't tell" military policy signed by her husband.
The New York Times reported that Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson said she supported the Defense of Marriage Act but added that "same-sex unions should be recognized and that same-sex unions should be entitled to all the rights and privileges that every other American gets."
January 2000: At a news conference in White Plains, Clinton said, "Marriage has got historic, religious and moral content that goes back to the beginning of time, and I think a marriage is as a marriage has always been, between a man and a woman. But I also believe that people in committed gay marriages, as they believe them to be, should be given rights under the law that recognize and respect their relationship."
April 2000: Clinton again expressed support for civil unions. "I have supported the kind of rights and responsibilities that are being extended to gay couples in Vermont," she said.
July 2004: Clinton spoke on the Senate floor against a proposed federal amendment to ban same-sex marriage. (The amendment ultimately failed.) Though she opposed it, she said that she believed that marriage was "a sacred bond between a man and a woman."
..... She announced her support for same-sex marriage in March 2013.
More at link http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/17/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-change-position-same-sex-marriage/
And while Hillary was busy defending DADT, DOMA and everything else under the sun, Bernie was doing this on the floor! Pretty darn obvious who wins this one.
#FeelTheBern
uppityperson
(115,681 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)Waiting until 2013 to do just before your run for the Presidency and defending DADT, DOMA and being anti-gay marriage for literally decades? It's awesome, if you're a Sloth.
uppityperson
(115,681 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)It's more weathervane IMHO.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)to do the right thing.
elias49
(4,259 posts)she said so herself just a few days ago.
Huh. Strange.
mcar
(42,411 posts)Others are not.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)extending benefits and protections to partners of gay diplomats and her "gay rights are human rights" speech in Geneva.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)She also did this while SOS.
Ooops.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-same-sex-passports_us_560c68e6e4b076812700bf06
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Repeat.
jfern
(5,204 posts)Such bold leadership to side with the most liberal 58% of Americans!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)she will distance herself from politicians like Debbie Wasserman Schultz who vote to throw terminally ill cancer patients in prison for using it.
jfern
(5,204 posts)She doesn't always stand with the most liberal 58%.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)When people see that marriage equality is good and abandon their old positiins I am glad.
I marched in the pride parade with her and I am happy to support her.
msongs
(67,462 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Do people think she's going to change back? It's the law of the land now. Give it a rest, people.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)If the country goes back to 58% opposed, she'll go back to opposing.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)Reasonable to believe she still has the same threshold.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)dlwickham
(3,316 posts)As Secretary of State she did so much to promote LGBT rights around the world
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)uponit7771
(90,367 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Think marriage is a sacred bond between one man and one woman? Well glorious days, Hillary does too! On the other hand, if you feel that marriage is a right? Well glorious days, Hillary does too!
Ingenious...I think.
beaglelover
(3,496 posts)for POTUS and will get things done for all Americans.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)At what? Weapons deals? Bad foreign policy that had lead us into wars? More people dying from being uninsured? What part of "All Americans" are you referring to? The ones who won't be making a living wage still?
beaglelover
(3,496 posts)She's has more foreign policy experience in her pinky fingernail than St. Bernard has in his entirety. Notice how St. Bernard never talks about foreign policy. It's because he doesn't know anything about it. Yeah, that's what we need in a POTUS, especially after Obama.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)It's your math that is weak, not her experience.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)her parents and then spent the rest of the 60's as a Dem.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)(the old kind of not yet crazy Republicans that is)
baldguy
(36,649 posts)You can't have it both ways.
And if his stint as Mayor is relevant, Clinton's role as First Lady of Arkansas for 10 yrs should be too.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)In his eight years as mayor of Burlington, Vermont, Bernie Sanders revitalized the economy and solidified support for progressive municipal policies.
By Peter Dreier and Pierre Clavel
John Davis remembers a meeting in 1986 when Bernie Sanders, then the mayor of Burlington, Vermont, confronted the owners of the citys largest affordable-housing complex. The federal program that had subsidized the Northgate Apartments for 20 years had a loophole that allowed the landlords to convert the buildings into market rentals or luxury condos.
Bernie pounded his fist on the conference table in his office and told the owners, Over my dead body are you going to displace 336 working families. You are not going to convert Northgate into luxury housing, recalled Davis, who was Sanderss key housing aide.
Under Sanderss leadership, the city adopted a number of laws to stifle the owners plans. One ordinance required apartment owners to give residents two years notice before a condo conversion. Others gave residents a pre-emptive right to buy the units and prohibited landlords from bulldozing buildings unless they replaced them with the same number of affordable units. (These measures lowered the selling price of the property.) Sanders then worked with the state government and Senator Patrick Leahy to get the $12 million needed to purchase and rehabilitate the buildings. The city allocated funds to help the tenants hire an organizer, form the Northgate Residents Association, and start the process of converting the complex to resident ownership. Today, Northgate Apartments is owned by the tenants and has long-term restrictions to keep the buildings affordable for working families.
The battle over Northgate Apartments illustrates Sanderss general approach to governing. In addressing this and many other issues, he encouraged grassroots organizing, adopted local laws to protect the vulnerable, challenged the citys business power brokers, and worked collaboratively with other politicians to create a more livable city.
http://www.thenation.com/article/bernies-burlington-city-sustainable-future/
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Sexist much?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)First husbands' stints aren't comparable to actual mayoral experience either.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Or do you think spouses don't talk to one another about their work?
The fact that Clinton's experience as First Lady in Little Rock is being ignored and in Washington being denigrated speaks volumes.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)She wasn't elected, she didn't govern and her role as an advisor wouldn't count as experience if she wasn't married to the governor so why should it count because she was?
Irrelevant. She could have been the greatest first lady the state has ever seen - it still isn't comparable to being the mayor of Vermont's largest city.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You attempted to equate Bernie's experience as mayor with Hillary's role as first lady of Arkansas and failed.
That has nothing to do with Hillary and everything to do with your absurd comparison.
beaglelover
(3,496 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)So many wars, so many dead, so little time.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)has replaced "noblesse oblige" in America because of the republicans.
Noblesse Oblige: The inferred responsibility of privileged people to act with generosity and nobility toward those less privileged.
Bernie has got it right and I can hardly wait to vote for him.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)That's why they need the reminder.
I remember the time when being greedy or boastful about your wealth was shameful and frowned upon in a polite society. It was a shameful, arrogant thing and IMO, it still is.
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
mythology
(9,527 posts)Here let me help correct that oversight.
As mayor of Burlington in 1990, Sanders told an interviewer that LGBT rights were not a major priority for him. Asked if he would support a bill to protect gays from job discrimination, Sanders responded, probably not.
Like his current Senate colleague Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, Sanders deserves credit for opposing DOMAthen a popular measure with bipartisan supportwhile a member of the House of Representatives in 1996. But Sanders efforts to parlay this vote into indisputable proof of his marriage equality bona fides ring hollow in light of his statements at the time. Explaining his vote in 1996, Sanders chief of staff declared that it was motivated by a concern for states rights, not equality.
Ten years later, Sanders took a similarly cautious approach to same-sex marriage. In 2006, he took a stand against same-sex marriage in Vermont, stating that he instead endorsed civil unions. Sanders told reporters that he was comfortable with civil unions, not full marriage equality. (To justify his stance, Sanders complained that a battle for same-sex marriage would be too divisive.)
http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/10/05/bernie_sanders_on_marriage_equality_he_s_no_longtime_champion.html
Like I said, I'm sure this was just a misclick and you hit submit on your post without realizing that you failed to mention that Sanders also has a highly suspect record on same sex marriage if you are looking for purity.
Prism
(5,815 posts)Sanders might not have been as pro-active on various issues as my community may have liked, but . . .
He never hammered at us for personal political gain.
Hillary has. For a very long time.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)The first quote you referenced is unsourced, he said "not right now" about same sex marriage in Vermont because the supreme court decision overturning the ban on it almost tore Vermont apart, and the fact is he did vote against DOMA for whatever reason.
Hillary, on the other hand, went on a crusade against gay marriage, declaring it was a "sacred bond" between a "man and a woman".
She also said this in 2000:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2013/03/18/how-hillary-clinton-evolved-on-gay-marriage/
Neither is perfect but one of the candidates was adamantly opposed to marriage equality and went out of her way to defend "traditional" marriage and it wasn't Bernie.
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Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)She only does and says things for her own political gain.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)when it became imperative to do so if she wanted to remain viable in the primaries. And even then: she will share her videos with GLBT couples, but I have yet to see her share a frame with them. The engaged couple in her candidacy announcement sent her an invite to their wedding - and Clinton STILL hasn't RSVP-d. She is THAT uncomfortable with gay guys.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)We don't need a candidate who is popular ONLY among 50% of Dems.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)The 'New York Times' columnist goes on a weird, bitter rant against gay rights
BY MATT TAIBBI April 2, 2013
But then, he cried yesterday because his conservative party is losing it.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/david-brooks-proposes-a-kinder-gentler-republican-party-20160121
And last year, he cried because poor people are so useless & entirely to blame for their circumstances
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/for-david-brooks-the-rich-are-people-the-poor-are-numbers-20150311
Why can't people see the Clintons rhetoric is the ONLY thing not conservative about them?
Its mind-blowing.
azmom
(5,208 posts)Equality and Justice are secondary to her.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)She gets focus groups to tell her what to believe.