2016 Postmortem

pnwmom

(108,980 posts) Sat Jan 23, 2016, 08:23 PM Jan 2016

Now even the Human Rights Campaign is part of the "establishment" according to Bernie.

I guess gay rights has come a long way -- when even the largest gay rights group in the country can be criticized for being part of the "establishment."

First Planned Parenthood, next the Human Rights Campaign. I guess if you're not for Bernie, you must, by definition, be part of the "establishment."

Earth to Bernie: you didn't publicly support Federal gay marriage until 2009. As recently as 2006 you publicly stated that it was a states rights issue and that Vermont preferred civil unions. Hillary waited till she had left her position as Secretary of State before she publicly supported Federal gay marriage, so she was a few years behind you. Big deal. You both came to the correct position before the Supreme Court did.

http://www.washingtonblade.com/2016/01/19/sanders-campaign-blasts-human-rights-campaign-over-clinton-support/

After the Human Rights Campaign announced on Tuesday it would back Clinton, the Sanders campaign criticized the nation’s largest LGBT group in response to a Washington Blade inquiry for a reaction. “It’s understandable and consistent with the establishment organizations voting for the establishment candidate, but it’s an endorsement that cannot possibly be based on the facts and the record,” said Sanders campaign spokesperson Michael Briggs. -

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Now even the Human Rights Campaign is part of the "establishment" according to Bernie. (Original Post) pnwmom Jan 2016 OP

Gay people on DU have been agreeing with Bernie about this all week. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #1

Really? I thought your cutoff date for HRC was approximately her date of birth, so I'm impressed. Hekate Jan 2016 #8

-some- gay people. SOME gay people. KittyWampus Jan 2016 #16

Since I didn't say ALL gay people the 'some' was implied. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #22

I'm gay and I consider them to be. You might want to take a look at some of the reasons not all of Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #2

Based on my recollection of discussions SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #5

It's usually family politics but this is currently exploited by some on DU as primary fodder and Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #6

"doing what they do which is having a gala." SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #7

Did they hold a vote of their membership? Actually no. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author newthinking Jan 2016 #4

The HRC hates transgender people. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #9

No, it doesn't. You sound very misinformed to me. pnwmom Jan 2016 #11

They are trying to rebuild the bridges the burned to the ground. You lack information and standing. Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #15

I am gay and do NOT support Human RIghts Campaign. m-lekktor Jan 2016 #10

You are one person. It is still the largest LGBT org in the country. n/t pnwmom Jan 2016 #12

I'm another LGBT person who thinks you don't really have standing to preach at us. Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #14

Don't see the poster you are responding to "preaching" to anyone. Interesting choice of words. LOLZ KittyWampus Jan 2016 #21

oh i am not the only one that thanks that but thanks for straightsplaining that to me. m-lekktor Jan 2016 #17

also btw, even if they endorsed Bernie I still don't like them. m-lekktor Jan 2016 #23

Sanders and his camp did not get their pony, so they decided to diss the riversedge Jan 2016 #13

LOL! Sanders is the anti-establishment candidate who's been in office for decades, KittyWampus Jan 2016 #18

Even the HRC? Lol. cali Jan 2016 #19

Ah, quit yer whinin'. John Poet Jan 2016 #20

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)

1. Gay people on DU have been agreeing with Bernie about this all week.

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 08:26 PM

Jan 2016

This is news?

I stopped supporting HRC when I found out they didn't advocate for transgender people.

Hekate

(90,710 posts)

8. Really? I thought your cutoff date for HRC was approximately her date of birth, so I'm impressed.

Reply to beam me up scottie (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 11:17 PM

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KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)

16. -some- gay people. SOME gay people.

Reply to beam me up scottie (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 04:47 PM

Jan 2016

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)

22. Since I didn't say ALL gay people the 'some' was implied.

Reply to KittyWampus (Reply #16)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 04:54 PM

Jan 2016

And it looks like they've shown up to school the op so I'll leave it to them.

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)

2. I'm gay and I consider them to be. You might want to take a look at some of the reasons not all of

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 08:35 PM

Jan 2016

us adore them:

5 Most Disappointing Things We Learned About HRC's 'White Men's Club'
A new internal diversity report reveals the Human Rights Campaign has a sexist work environment where only 'gay, white, male' employees advance into leadership positions.
http://www.advocate.com/human-rights-campaign-hrc/2015/06/04/5-most-disappointing-things-we-learned-about-hrcs-white-mens-cl

Top 13 Human Rights Campaign Salaries Topped $2.1 Million Last Year And All We Got Was A Lousey Tee Shirt!
http://www.back2stonewall.com/2010/03/top-14-human-rights-campaign-salaries.html

Even After All These Years, HRC Still Doesn't Get It
The ongoing war between the Human Rights Campaign (HRC) and the trans community is not only longstanding but quite damaging for both sides. And yes, before you ask, it most certainly is fair to call it a war, albeit a war that's being fought with press releases, money, media access and political influence rather than bombs and bullets.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rebecca-juro/even-after-all-these-years-hrc-still-doesnt-get-it_b_2989826.html

HRC President Chad Griffin Apologizes To The Transgender Community
In 2007, the HRC publicly endorsed an early version of the Employee Non Discrimination Act that did not provide protections for individuals facing gender-based discrimination. At that time the HRC defended its decision arguing that by removing protections for trans individuals initially, ENDA would be easier to pass and subsequently update to bring transgender people into the fold.
http://www.towleroad.com/2014/09/hrc-president-chad-griffin-apologizes-to-the-transgender-community/

They are establishment by the standards of LGBT who are not powerful A Listers.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)

5. Based on my recollection of discussions

Reply to Bluenorthwest (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 09:06 PM

Jan 2016

Around the rough time period of the Gay Purge, I agree.

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)

6. It's usually family politics but this is currently exploited by some on DU as primary fodder and

Reply to SusanCalvin (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 09:49 PM

Jan 2016

they are just way out of their element when they talk about it. 35 people on the HRC board voted on this, they are 'community and corporate leaders' in the language of HRC.

I have had issues with them for endorsing Republicans with bad records over Democrats with good records, because I'm a Democrat. I've had issues with their support for anti choice candidates and anti affirmative action candidates because those issues are important to me and to many other LGBT people and are part and parcel of LGBT politics.

It's not like I sit around opposing them, it's just that I often disagree with their choices and so my support goes to other organizations that certainly need it more cash wise and networking wise. They are just there, doing what they do which is having a gala.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)

7. "doing what they do which is having a gala."

Reply to Bluenorthwest (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 09:51 PM

Jan 2016

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)

3. Did they hold a vote of their membership? Actually no.

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 08:39 PM

Jan 2016

For example, Clinton got an endorsement from the Human Rights Campaign this week. That decision was made not by a vote of HRC’s membership list but instead by a 32-member executive board that includes Mike Berman, the president of a lobbying firm that works for Pfizer, Comcast, and the health insurance lobby. Northrup Grumman is among its list of major corporate sponsors.

The Sanders campaign blasted the group as “establishment” and said that Sanders has a much stronger record on LGBT equality than Clinton. Outspoken gay activist Michaelangelo Signorile wrote that HRC had clearly traded its early endorsement for “access to the White House” for its leaders.

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/22/bernie-sanders-gets-group-endorsements-when-members-decide-hillary-clinton-when-leaders-decide/

Hillary Takes Millions in Campaign Cash From ‘Enemies’

When asked during the Democratic presidential debate what enemies she was most proud to have made, Hillary Clinton named pharmaceutical and health insurance companies at the top of her list. But that hasn’t stopped the Democratic front-runner from accepting millions of dollars in campaign cash from both industries in the course of her political career, financial disclosure records show.

Since her first bid for Senate in 2000, Clinton has accepted nearly $1 million from drug and health companies and more than $2.7 million from the insurance field and its related sectors, according to an analysis of public records from the Center for Responsive Politics. While the analysis did not include campaign finance figures for the 2016 cycle, some of the same donors and patterns can be seen in Clinton’s lone financial disclosure filed in July.

Contributions tied to some of the same firms that gave to her 2008 presidential campaign appear in the latest disclosure, including donations connected to pharmaceutical companies Pfizer Inc., Johnson & Johnson, Bristol-Myers Squibb Co.; and insurers Aetna Inc., MetLife Inc. and Centene Corp., the latter of which is among Clinton’s largest donors this year.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/10/14/hillary-takes-millions-in-campaign-cash-from-enemies

The major unions and organizations that democratically held votes of their membership all endorsed Bernie.

Thanks for the thread, pnwmom.

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Odin2005

(53,521 posts)

9. The HRC hates transgender people.

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:42 AM

Jan 2016

That sounds pretty "establishment" to me.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)

11. No, it doesn't. You sound very misinformed to me.

Reply to Odin2005 (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:45 AM

Jan 2016

http://www.hrc.org/explore/topic/transgender

Download resources and learn more about HRC's ongoing work to advance transgender equality and inclusion across the country.

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)

15. They are trying to rebuild the bridges the burned to the ground. You lack information and standing.

Reply to pnwmom (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 04:35 PM

Jan 2016

HRC endorsed the non inclusive ENDA and has been trying to repair it's image ever since. It has not been successful.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)

10. I am gay and do NOT support Human RIghts Campaign.

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:45 AM

Jan 2016

and haven't for quite some time. how many damn times do we have to address this same shit here on DU over and over and over. I wish you would read all the threads regarding this the first 20 times!

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)

12. You are one person. It is still the largest LGBT org in the country. n/t

Reply to m-lekktor (Reply #10)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:46 AM

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Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)

14. I'm another LGBT person who thinks you don't really have standing to preach at us.

Reply to pnwmom (Reply #12)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 04:33 PM

Jan 2016

Your opinion is not as important as those of LGBT persons in this matter. Straights on DU never mind telling us how we should think about our own community.

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)

21. Don't see the poster you are responding to "preaching" to anyone. Interesting choice of words. LOLZ

Reply to Bluenorthwest (Reply #14)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 04:53 PM

Jan 2016

DU'ers are entitled to post opinion pieces and voice their opinions,

And YOUR opinion doesn't speak for all LBGT either.

The main point you avoid is that Sanders and his supporters like to tout themselves as "anti-establishment" when they aren't.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)

17. oh i am not the only one that thanks that but thanks for straightsplaining that to me.

Reply to pnwmom (Reply #12)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 04:49 PM

Jan 2016

and what in hell does SIZE have to do with quality? geesh.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)

23. also btw, even if they endorsed Bernie I still don't like them.

Reply to pnwmom (Reply #12)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 05:12 PM

Jan 2016

If the GOP wasn't so homophobic all the leaders of that group would be voting republican.

riversedge

(70,242 posts)

13. Sanders and his camp did not get their pony, so they decided to diss the

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 07:59 AM

Jan 2016

advocacy groups of PP and HR Campaign. Then after a few days of criticism they--Sen. Sanders decided-oh this does not look good, what Have I done!--and he attempted to make good--after prompted 2times by the reporter. Now he says he meant only the establishment. Geesh! talk about muddy waters. But the damage is done.

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)

18. LOL! Sanders is the anti-establishment candidate who's been in office for decades,

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 04:50 PM

Jan 2016

has JEFF WEAVER running flack for him among other things and whose supporters now quote Robert Reich who worked in Ford, Carter and Clinton's Administrations.

cali

(114,904 posts)

19. Even the HRC? Lol.

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 04:50 PM

Jan 2016

John Poet

(2,510 posts)

20. Ah, quit yer whinin'.

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 30, 2016, 04:52 PM

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