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Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 11:57 PM Jan 2016

How does a Democrat (O'Malley) justify illegally arresting thousands of African Americans and

violating their constitutional rights as granted under the 4th Amendment to the Constitution?

ANSWER:

But that wasn’t enough. O’Malley needed to show crime reduction stats that were not only improbable, but unsustainable without manipulation. And so there were people from City Hall who walked over Norris and made it clear to the district commanders that crime was going to fall by some astonishing rates. Eventually, Norris got fed up with the interference from City Hall and walked, and then more malleable police commissioners followed, until indeed, the crime rate fell dramatically. On paper.

How? There were two initiatives. First, the department began sweeping the streets of the inner city, taking bodies on ridiculous humbles, mass arrests, sending thousands of people to city jail, hundreds every night, thousands in a month. They actually had police supervisors stationed with printed forms at the city jail – forms that said, essentially, you can go home now if you sign away any liability the city has for false arrest, or you can not sign the form and spend the weekend in jail until you see a court commissioner. And tens of thousands of people signed that form.

They were anybody who was slow to clear the sidewalk or who stayed seated on their front stoop for too long when an officer tried to roust them. Schoolteachers, Johns Hopkins employees, film crew people, kids, retirees, everybody went to the city jail. If you think I’m exaggerating look it up. It was an amazing performance by the city’s mayor and his administration.

The city eventually got sued by the ACLU and had to settle, but O’Malley defends the wholesale denigration of black civil rights to this day.

Since O'Malley's wife is a judge he can hardly claim that he didn't understand the 4th Amendment.

I watched a documentary on Freddie Gray a few days ago on one of the cable channels. Don't you think police actions like those engaged in at the behest of O'Malley is part of the reason the police treated Freddie Gray like they did?

And as O'Malley has reminded us, he (and Clinton) are the real Democrats in the race. Really?

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/04/29/david-simon-on-baltimore-s-anguish#.WehrTeA9H

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Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
5. His actions toward African Americans is horrendous and to ignore it because he is a Democrat is
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:58 AM
Jan 2016

unbelievable.

Are black voters nothing more than pawns to be used for their vote?

What was done is NOT OKAY.
 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
2. Anyone who says Bernie is bad on AA issues but O'Malley is fine...
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:39 AM
Jan 2016

has demonstrated that she or he doesn't give a damn about AA issues.

There is nothing Bernie could do on institutional racism that could ever be worse than what O'Malley did in Baltimore.

FSogol

(45,488 posts)
6. You mean like cut crime down, reduce recidivism, create a citizen review
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:00 AM
Jan 2016

board over the police, decriminalize marijuana, and end the death penalty? O'Malley won reelection thanks to the support of African American citizens by a larger amount each election. This hit piece and clueless responses and lame-ass smears just shows how little you all know about Maryland or O'Malley.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
8. Bernie hasn't KILLED black people.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:03 AM
Jan 2016

If Bernie had been mayor of Baltimore and governor or Maryland, he'd have done all of the things you listed there WITHOUT letting the cops declare open season on black lives.

Therefore, nothing he can do can possibly be weaker on AA issues than O'Malley.

FSogol

(45,488 posts)
9. What are you talking about? When did I ever say anything about Sanders and AA issues?
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:08 AM
Jan 2016


PS. O'Malley didn't kill anyone, he turned Baltimore around and saved a lot of lives in the process. If Baltimore backslid in the 7+ years since he left the Mayor's office, that can't be blamed on him.

Get over your cheap rhetoric and stop attacking Democrats.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
12. I'm attacking the lie that O'Malley is better on AA issues than Bernie.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:17 AM
Jan 2016

He's a mundanely ok guy, but he never needed to let the cops go Wild West on young black men in Baltimore to be able to do the other things.

Defending O'Malley's policing policies based on what happened afterwards(when he could have done all the good things without letting the cops do whatever the hell they wanted) is a bit like arguing that Nixon's China trip justified staying in Vietnam and bombing Cambodia.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
4. It has nothing to do w/polls and EVERYTHING to do with people knowing the truth, since they won't
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:52 AM
Jan 2016

get it from the corporate media.

I find it disgusting that Black Americans were treated in this manner.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
10. Outrage over exposing the truth about O'Malley, no outrage over his actions.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:08 AM
Jan 2016

So now we have become the party that violates the constitutional rights of Black Americans as long as it serves some political purpose. Do we have no moral compass anymore?

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
13. educate yourself - this is the only kick you'll get from me on this sorry thread
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:18 AM
Jan 2016

Martin O'Malley's term as mayor saw a sharp decline in the numbers of police shootings...yes, he had an issue with arrests for petty crimes, but there's no evidence that was accompanied by an increase in police brutality. In fact, his police dept. changed the way incidents of police misconduct was reported and handled by establishing an active review board and a hotline for reporting police abuse or misconduct.

Under his term there were over 100 'reverse integrity' stings of police conducted a year. They fully staffed the civilian review board including detectives on the board to investigate claims against police. They used technology to flag abusive officers who racked up complaints.

Also the numbers of arrests is skewed because it reflects repeat offenders, not new cases. What was happening during his term was an effort to clear the open-air drug markets which had been plaguing black majority neighborhoods.

As O'Malley said in a response today, if those had been white-majority communities, there would be no question of the swift and thorough response to drug-related crime and violence which threatened and cost black lives, many young black lives.

I think he's correct in estimating that at least 1000 black lives were actually saved by his police dept.'s focus on responding to and acting on the drug activity which was running rampant in Baltimore when he took office. The city had record deaths and record violent crime when he took office which saw a sharp reduction during his terms as mayor. During his time as governor, recidivism was cut significantly, and incarceration rates were actually REDUCED in his terms to 20 year lows; and voting rights were restored to 52,000 individuals with felonies.

That was a direct result of not only the heightened attention by the police to that drug activity, but also a result of a community policing effort, policing the police with increased accountability for police abuses, and a massive drug-treatment program which recovered many black lives in those communities.

He also closed the most violent prison in the city, ended the death penalty, signed decriminalization of small amounts of pot into law, and actually brought incarceration rates down during his stay in office. That says 'black lives matter,' at least to those black lives which were granted safe streets, prevention of violent crimes and killings and other opportunities to improve on their way of life. I've lived in Maryland for 45 years. These issues aren't just an abstraction to me, and neither are they to other members of the black community who are affected by these issues.

Those communities, not coincidentally voted repeatedly for Martin O'Malley in overwhelming numbers throughout his several, successive roles serving in public service in Maryland. That's as much of an endorsement of his efforts as anything anyone wants to portray in terms of black support.


from Nick Kelly at Medium:

The Bum Rap Against Martin O’Malley

If you’re reading this, you’ve probably heard criticism of Martin O’Malley’s use of zero-tolerance policing and it’s alleged impact on crime and unrest in Baltimore. I’ll get right to the point. Don’t believe the criticism.

First, because all the criticism I’ve seen (and believe me, I’ve seen a lot) is based upon serious factual distortions and/or unproven theories. Critics contend that mass arrests during his term as Mayor were prime movers of tense and sometimes violent nights more than twelve years after they peaked.

That may sound theoretically plausible if you imagine that he ordered mass incarcerations and/or had unusually large numbers of Baltimore citizens arrested. That’s why you are so disturbed when his critics tell you (falsely) that Martin O’Malley had over 100,000 people arrested out of a total 600,000 population! They sometimes further say he put 1 in 6 citizens in jail! But neither of these claims is true.

I will explain why shortly. But before I take you into why those harmful claims disintegrate under close inspection, here’s the second reason I’m advising you to doubt Martin’s critics. Quite simply, it’s because they so often point to a darkly pessimistic work of fiction. While it’s obviously true that Baltimore still has it’s share of serious problems, it’s not the bleak and ruined city portrayed in “The Wire”. In that grim drama every person is ultimately compromised or corrupt. The people of Baltimore are not just like the characters in “The Wire” or the villains in “Gotham”. Nor is the fictional “Tommy Carcetti” just like the real Martin O’Malley.

Third, and most significantly, I’m advising you to disbelieve those critics because the people of Baltimore re-elected Martin O’Malley by a landslide in 2003. They not only re-elected him, they did so with what has to be a record 173,030 votes. He won 88% of the vote and every district in the city.

Why is that vote total a big deal? Because it was an enormous vote of approval of his policies after he had increased the arrest rate to its peak. By comparison, once Martin O’Malley was elected Governor of Maryland, his successor as Mayor, Sheila Dixon, won the race for Mayor of Baltimore with only 36,726 votes. Then, in 2011, Stephanie Rawlings-Blake won with only 40,125 votes (see pg. 12). The differences between the number of votes he received and the numbers of votes they received is truly stunning, especially when you consider that none of those elections happened in Presidential election years. The point is that the overwhelming majority of the people of Baltimore apparently loved what Martin O’Malley did with policing in his first term as Mayor!

How can that be true, some of you may wonder, when you may be thinking (incorrectly) that Baltimore police had put 1 in 6 citizens in jail? Well, first of all, you may not be aware that arrest numbers include multiple arrests of repeat offenders. In other words, the annual number of arrests is always greater than the number of people arrested. The number of people arrested during one of those years is more like 10,000 than 100,000. And they were usually pretty much the same 10,000, arrested and questioned multiple times.

Second, you may not realize that many of those arrested don’t spend even one day or night in jail. Many are just questioned and released. Finally, and this is really important, I’m fairly confident that you are not aware that there were 89,000 arrests in 1998 in Baltimore the year before Martin O’Malley became Mayor. Eighty-nine thousand arrests were made in Baltimore the year before Martin O’Malley became mayor. Let that sink in for a minute...

Now, back to those 89,000 arrests in 1998. Did you remember that number? Have you guessed why it’s important to understanding the truth of what Martin O’Malley did? I bet many of you have.

In the four years following his inauguration as mayor, Martin O’Malley did drive that 89,000 inherited arrest number up to 115,000. That’s a 29% increase, or about a 7% increase per year. (Not exactly a drastic shift, eh?) In the following four years, he dropped it back down to 93,000. So, based on those numbers, it’s hard to see how Martin O’Malley’s so-called “zero-tolerance policing” was all that draconian compared to the policing already in effect in Baltimore.

But still, don’t all those arrest numbers qualify as “mass incarceration”? Nope. As I explained before, those are arrest figures, not numbers of people locked up for days at a time in jail or prison. And this next point may be a shocker to those of you who have believed his critics. Martin O’Malley actually reduced the incarceration rate! And he also reduced homicides, major crimes, and police-involved shootings!

read more: https://medium.com/@Nick_Kelly/the-bum-rap-against-martin-o-malley-9155359f00ee#.r5wre1ecx


Watch Martin O’Malley Shade David Simon’s Great Work of Fiction



Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
14. Excuse: They've always arrested a lot Blacks in Baltimore so our measures are hardly draconinan.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 08:24 AM
Jan 2016

Some defense.

So you arrested the same person multiple times b/c they happened to be out in public? Okay, that makes it perfectly understandable.

The constitutional rights of Black Americans were violated. That is a fact and that is NOT defensible.

Other cities brought down crime rates WITHOUT terrorizing their citizens by engaging in mass, illegal arrests.


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