that is about as intelligent as Rahm referring to some liberal activists as "f**king retarded"

I meant Disgruntled Liberals, so I corrected that!

Disgruntled like not happy with the way things were/are, Liberals meaning folks who prefer Liberal policies.

Not sure how that compares to "f**cking retarded"....

Perhaps it's like comparing Sanders to Obama, or Apple to Oranges, no?

It is SO good to see you!

How are you?

Also posted this in AA forum!

to someone who was in on your last discussion...
To me, however, I don't follow.

baldly states that she will carry on a black President's legacy.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/what-president-obamas-legacy-means-me/

One must be Black to carry on someone else who is Black's legacy?

Back them up.

Nothing about being black or white.

So it's really a waste of time asking her to do it. If she said it, you can rest assured that it's got solid support.

and pointing the fingers directly at the Clintons to remind your audience that they made racial inferences
of that campaign in 2008.....
and that the Clintons are DOING THE EXACT SAME THING NOW......
what do you think that means?

Watch the video again, and understand that just like you,
I'm not simpleminded....Nor are many other Black folks.
Just sayin'....

Which is exactly what Obama did 8 years ago. There's the comparison.

You are smart enough to know this. People want revolutionary change after things have begun to improve.

We are at a point where "status quo" just isn't going to cut it.

Bernie's message has not changed for decades, what voters want has. We now want big change and only the person offering it is worth turning out for. Anyone who is complacent enough to want to continue the status quo is complacent enough to not bother working for the status quo candidate.


http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-3045302276.html

^snip^

The idea that unfulfilled, rising expectations create unstable political situations has a long tradition in political and social analysis. As far back as the early nineteenth century Alexis de Tocqueville suggested that it explained why the strongholds of the French Revolution were in regions where standards of living had been improving. Throughout the second half of the twentieth century the concept was associated with explanations of revolutions, insurgencies, and civil unrest throughout the world and the urban riots of the 1960s in the United States.

by including such disclaimers such as "some" voters...or "many" people....
adding qualifiers like "it is my opinion"...
and try not to profess to speak for "we"....

Hope all is well with you!

Mutual respect to you as well!

Left here to go and enjoy my life during this administration....
rather than stay here and fight the complainers, naysayers,
and the insults of how weak our President was each and every day.

I'm a glama now as well!

I was happier ignoring politics for a pretty long stretch. I cannot wait until this election is over.

I just came back because I woke up realizing that unfortunately for us,
I concluded that Ms. Clinton is the only candidate, IN MY OPINION,
who can actually save us from 100% GOP rule in November.

Don't want to get into with you now, as I realize you are supporting Sanders,
But hopefully, I'll make myself clearer as to why I think that as I familiarize myself
a bit more as to what's been going on here.

I still like Bernie, but not to run in the general election this year.

I won't put up with anyone disrespecting you either.

and I appreciate it very much! Thank you!

"Let's also establish that in order for Obama to win as the first Black presidential nominee, he had to be "perfect" in terms of what and who he represented. Obama, in order to pass muster with the White electorate, had to be young, tall, handsome, hip, charming, and Christian! He also offered skilled oratory, a fascinating life story, a beautiful young family to show while having gotten the best of education; Columbia and Harvard Law and as Pres. of the Harvard Law Review. Even beyond that, he offered himself as a moderate Democrat who came from a large mid-west state with roots in another state (Hawaii), who had been elected to the senate for a short while."

"After all of those qualifications were met, Obama than ran a campaign that had never been seen before on a Hope and change platform of restoring the Nation to a semblance of what it had been prior to Bush taking office with some improvements added! His platform was ending the wars while reestablishing our image around the world via diplomacy, bringing back our economy from the brink, providing affordable health care insurance to more Americans (as affordability was diminishing at an alarming rate). An overwhelming majority were war weary and financially fearful after America had suffered 8 years under Bush, who was at the height of his unpopularity throughout the 2008 election."

Appreciate it!

We are seeing a campaign that has outdone Obama's in some respects. More individual donors than Obama had at this point, and high levels of volunteer effort. Because insurance is not health care, and some are still paying 25% of their income for health care. Because the benefits of the recovery went to the 0.1%, not the 99%.

Obama was not in favor of marriage equality, but came around after activists kept pushing hard enough to be successful. Who, in 2008, would ever have thought that there would be legal MJ in CO and WA?

Sanders is mobilizing the 63%, and Clinton is not.

The only similarities from my standpoint is that Sanders has, like Obama did in his election, captured the hearts and minds of the disgruntled Liberals (and honestly, most of them didn't appreciate Pres. Obama at all from day one...even if they voted for him) , the young idealists who believe anything is possible (since they know that electing a Black President was an impossible that did happen), the folks who aren't looking past the pro arguments that the Bernie Supporters have discussed because they like the platform so, and those who not only believe in what Bernie is offering but also quite dislike Hillary Clinton, and what they believe she represents. Beyond that, the two men are like Night and Day!

Sanders is also far more likely to carry on with Obama's initiatives on Iran and Cuba than any other candidate. The ACA has helped people, but it is clear that we need to get to the next step.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/857329?src=wnl_mdplsnews_160122_mscpedit_wir&uac=240112FN&impID=965320&faf=1

Even with subsidies to make coverage more affordable, many people who buy health insurance on the marketplaces spend more than 10 percent of their income on premiums, deductibles and other out-of-pocket payments, a recent study found. Among those hit hardest, the researchers said, are people who spend nearly a quarter of their income on health care expenses.

“There’s been a lot of talk about how high deductibles and out-of-pocket costs are in the Affordable Care Act, and a lot of anecdotes about that, and this quantifies that in a more systematic way,” said John Holahan, a fellow at the Urban Institute’s Health Policy Center who co-authored the study.

The study used a model to estimate expected household spending on health insurance premiums and out-of-pocket expenses by individuals and families at different income levels using the marketplaces in 2016.

The analysis incorporated tax credits that are available on a sliding scale to people with incomes between 100 and 400 percent of the federal poverty level ($11,770 to $47,080 for an individual) to help subsidize the cost of premiums. It also included cost-sharing reductions that lower out-of-pocket spending for people with incomes up to 250 percent of the federal poverty level ($29,425 for one person) if they purchase silver plans on the online marketplaces.

Despite the financial assistance provided by the health law, people with modest incomes and average medical expenses have relatively heavy financial burdens for health care, the study found.

True that Obamacare needs improving when it comes to those who make too much for subsidies....
but are still the working poor.

In the same article....

" many people who buy health insurance on the marketplaces spend more than 10 percent of their income on premiums, deductibles and other out-of-pocket payments, a recent study found.
...
For example, among marketplace enrollees with incomes between 300 and 400 percent of poverty ($35,310 to $47,080), half face total spending that’s greater than 14.5 percent of their income, the study found.
....
One solution might be to tie premium tax credits to gold rather than silver plans, the researchers suggest. Gold plans provide more generous coverage than silver plans, including lower deductibles, potentially leading to lower out-of-pocket costs. Another option would be to improve the cost-sharing reduction subsidies available to lower income enrollees.

Both options could increase government spending and would need congressional approval, an option that seems unlikely under Republican control.

Negotiated prices with providers under a single payer plan. Is this going to happen in 2018? Probably not, but the Repubs hate marriage equality and MJ legalization as well, and those things are happening. Things like that don't start happening if your beginning sally is "No we can't."

I have other reasons that I'm not a Sanders supporter.....
as I don't dislike him as a person nor many of his policies in a long run whatsoever,
even as a Business owner with employees.

The 63% who stayed home in 2014 are why we got creamed that year. When turnout is high, Dems do better. Clinton is mobilizing zero enthusiasm on the ground. I'm really grateful that Jeb is doing so poorly. A Clinton/Bush contest would set records for poor turnout in a year with a contested presidency.

and it's why Maryland is the only state to have seen hospital costs go down over the past half-decade.

'Malley's campaign promise

In his new plan, O'Malley says he'll "create an option for states to adopt hospital global budgeting," some states already are moving forward.

O'Malley's plan stands out compared with other Democratic candidates' health care proposals. Bernie Sanders's "Medicare for All" plan has a fair amount of popular support but is probably politically unfeasible.

"I suppose there's some value in having Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton debating universal coverage," Sharfstein told me.

"But what Gov. O'Malley has done is real — right now."

How global budgets work, and why Maryland pursued them

As Sarah Kliff and Lena Sun detailed in the Washington Post last year, global budgets take typical health care economics and flip them on their head. Traditionally, hospitals get paid based on the number of procedures they perform, which is known as the fee-for-service model. But global budgets set a cap on spending: Hospitals are assigned a predetermined amount of revenue and are required to meet quality goals to get paid.

Essentially, hospitals are incented to deliver the best care — not the most care.

Different hospitals and insurers had experimented with global budget pilots, but until Maryland there had never been a statewide global-budget project before.

So why did Maryland pursue it? It's a complicated story, but it has to do with Maryland's decades of experience of innovating around health care.

In the 1970s, the state did something remarkable: It set a standard price for every hospital procedure. Typically, health insurers negotiate in secret with hospitals, each trying to get the best deal. But in Maryland, a state agency helps set the price for everything from an appendectomy to a hip replacement. And Medicare, Medicaid, and private insurers will all pay that set fee.

Health policy experts argue that Maryland's price-setting model was instrumental in controlling the state's health care costs. But it started running into some challenges in 2012, as costs were starting to rise quickly again.

Maryland has to get federal approval to run this type of program. And in 2014, officials announced a new cost-control program, one that committed the state to reducing Medicare hospital spending by $330 million over five years (alongside hitting certain quality metrics, too).

Within six months, every hospital in the state voluntarily signed on.

It appears that Maryland is succeeding.

Results published in the New England Journal of Medicine earlier this month concluded that the demonstration already saved Medicare $116 million in 2014, more than one-third of the savings that Maryland had pledged by 2019. Per capita hospital costs actually shrank by more than 1 percent in the state.

http://www.vox.com/2015/11/24/9794622/martin-omalley-is-finally-talking-about-his-best-idea-health-care

reads like he got some good results, O'Malley that is!

his Plans: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12813600

some accomplishments: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12813

his resume: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12814

More, @ his Group:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1281

calling him the most pro-latino & pro-immigrant candidate to ever run for President of The United States.

NOTICIA DE ÚLTIMA HORA: Periodico El Latino de Iowa endorsa a Martin O'Malley para Presidente de los Estados Unidos.
Si Se Puede!


https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=889510407835274&set=a.180643035388685.38216.100003289695192&type=3&theater

Congrats!

THANKS!

It shows HOW it can be done by providing proven results.

Yes, it DOES.

Real single payer requires price negotiations with pharmaceutical companies and all providers as well.

Can't please everyone....you know how that goes!

She never talks about the Sweatshops in Haiti that US brands/State dept fought to keep low wages low.

Last time we elected a Clinton the number of black peoples in jail increased, so no I do not believe a word she has to say when it comes to criminal justice because she was coward not to speak up in the 90's there is no evolving when it comes to people's lives. Black kids on street corners are not "super predators",but victims of lack of opportunities due to neo liberalism that the Clintons love so much.


Where was HRC when big banks and investment frims took advantage of black homeowners ? She was collecting her check while kicking it with the same people that made a killing hurting black home ownership

Just as Sen. Sanders is no Obama ,HRC wishes she had an iota of what Obama has. She lost going aganist Obama because the people wanted something new.
The American people are yearning for something once more

Obama definitely represented something different than Clinton did in 2008, but he was always quite pragmatic and had his connections to the establishment. Obama was able to defeat Clinton because he did get some establishment support, which is what threw Clinton for a loop.

plus, as I understand it, whomever wins the Democratic primaries, actually gets to set
the platform for all Democratic members of congress and those up for reelection in the senate....

Considering that, there is a good possibility that we could see losses in both houses of the magnitude that we may never recover from IF what those running in elections nationwide will have to support what will be hammered as (and they wouldn't be far off) a Socialist agenda. The down ballot races count are quite crucial, because we do have hope with the senate, as well as the presidency....

Considering that the congress will not change hands due to gerrymandering, personally, I'm not willing to die on that hill....just to advance an agenda that wouldn't get anywhere. Too much suffering for folks in the meantime at the hands of republicans. Too much of an upward battle, simply to bring issues to the fore. Meantime, Obama's 8 years are reversed. Obama care repealed, Planned parenthood de-funded, voting rights further eroded, abortion made illegal, civil rights shredded, social security eroded, and I can go on and on and on. Nope....no one's agenda is worth that....in hopes that a revolution eventually spring forth!

I am certainly a pragmatic and a realist, which is most likely why I'm supporting Hillary Clinton,
My only objective in this election is not to end up with 100% GOP rule....which would then
include the Supreme court. That would mean at least 25 years in the wilderness for Democrats,
perhaps more. I'm not willing to sacrifice the most vulnerable in the meantime....but of course, that's just me.

Yes those policies poll as having huge support from the people. Why would running candidates who support positions the American people actually like and support lead to a loss of seats in a currently wildly unpopular congress?

WOW!

I haven't seen you post in a long time.

Hello!



I don't think I ever told you but your posts drew me to DU in 2008....along with Nance Greggs.

I remember it like it was yesterday.

I remember you very well!
Yes, I'm back.....

Just sat up straight up out of my seat after watching a teeny tiny bit of election coverage a few days ago,
did some research, decided on my candidate, my reasons why, and figured I had a few things to say.

He had to be damn near perfect!

He couldn't show any anger whatsoever or he would have been labeled an angry black man. Hell, his opponents even trotted out Jeremiah Wright and tried to pin him on Obama in a failed attempt to make Obama look angry.

Yet if you look at candidates like Bernie and Trump, they can show all the anger in the world without consequence.

White privilege for sure.

I'm getting FB folks trying to lure me over to the Sanders side.....
like they are on a mission and have been told....look, only this long before SC primary,
so let's get it moving!

The "Black Vote" is a thing now, not people....

Then we get the, that's Bernie pic, lookit, right there by that flag marching...
so you gonna vote for him now?
Remember Hillary said all of those nasty things?
You gonna vote for him now?

Well what about his policies?
They are wayyyy better than that nasty Hillary,
oh...and Sanders' campaign is just like Obama's...

why is "angry black man" so bad? In spite of all the name-calling and accusations, he still won... twice. He's shown flashes of anger throughout his tenure. If FUX and right-wing blowhards don't like it... too *bleeping* bad.

Over half the nation was DESPERATE to get out from under the Bush/Cheney regime. Obama, or any Democratic candidate, didn't need to be "damn near perfect." That's just fantasy.

That's as far as Sanders is taking the "like Obama" comparison. Why are you twisting the comparison and making it about race? Hillary must be doing poorly in recent polls, hmm?

That's definitely your option.

I see it differently....

Obama was a babe-in-the-woods when he took office in January 2009. Sanders isn't. He understands how Washington works.

Obama still hasn't seemed to grasp that Republicans aren't reasonable people. Sanders knows who he is dealing with.

When negotiating, Sanders, unlike Obama, will start at a point which will bring about much more palatable results. Clinton's and Sanders' starting points on the minimum wage is a prime example.

Sanders understands that the Affordable Care Act is anything but affordable. Hell, even now ads are running about the $695 tax penalty, with mention of how the majority who sign up get some sort of "help." That's not affordable.

What, exactly, are you claiming as far as Sanders comparing himself to Obama? Upbringing? Education? Career? The only thing he is claiming is that he knows first-hand, like Obama, what it's like to be on the receiving end of a Hillary Clinton campaign.

Sid

Thanks.