2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIMHO the stakes are too high not to vote in the GE
Last edited Sun Jan 24, 2016, 08:41 PM - Edit history (1)
I understand the frustration of feeling forced to cast a vote for the lesser of two evils.
I understand the poster who said this: "We need a change. Our people are dying because of lack of healthcare and lack of a sustainable wage."
However, America is not an alcoholic who needs to hit bottom before things will change - because if people are dying NOW because of those lacks, not stopping the Republican party just means exponentially more of them are going to die.
If the Supreme Court was not so deeply conservative and at risk for becoming more conservative then, yeah, I might consider picking this year to give a big F**K YOU to the establishment if my candidate doesn't win the primary. But with the court the way it is now, I personally feel that not voting this year especially (given that the next president is likely to have a chance to appoint as many as 4 Supreme Court Justices) is potentially the most damaging thing I could do to this country. Because the only thing which can prevent our current rapid slide into fascism from becoming a free fall into fascism is a Supreme Court which will do something to stop it - because NONE of the politicians can. Neither Bernie nor Hillary will be able to change things unless other politicians get behind them and I don't think that will happen. But what either of them CAN do is appoint justices who might stand up to politicians.
The current court is:
Roberts - GW Bush
Scalia - Reagan
Kennedy - Reagan
Thomas - GHW Bush
Ginsburg - Clinton
Breyer - Clinton
Alito - GW Bush
Sotomayor - Obama
Kagan - Obama
Who is president may not make as much of a difference as we'd like when it comes to the laws that are passed but as far as the Supreme Court is concerned, who is president really F**KING matters!
That is why I will vote for the Democratic candidate in November, regardless of whether my first choice won. Because the stakes are just too high.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Well said!! Nader supporters used that argument in 2000 and look where it got us?
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)But I will be voting for the best candidate on the ballot. That is all we as citizens can do to preserve our country.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)I will happily lease them both.
Anyone too butt hurt to vote in the GE is no friend of the poor or the marginalized, no matter how "progressive" they claim to be.
merrily
(45,251 posts)rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)The op suggests some people might not be voting based on hurt feelings.
Reading is your friend.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Btw, "frustration of feeling" at having to vote for the lesser of two evils is what the OP is about. That's not the same as "hurt feelings. Reading is one thing. Understanding what you read is another. The first does not mean a hell of a lot without the second.
People over the age of 12 don't make voting decisions based on hurt feelings.
Enjoy your day.
cali
(114,904 posts)I'll still vote for her. Better corrupt than batshit crazy.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Last edited Sun Jan 24, 2016, 07:11 AM - Edit history (1)
short list of Supreme Court nominees.
Sorry. If I could rely on New Democrats to nominate Justices as liberal as the ones Eisenhower nominated, this argument might work better on me, but I can't.
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)I will vote for the dem who wins regardless. The stakes are too high!
seaglass
(8,171 posts)important than other people's lives.
djean111
(14,255 posts)A bit too early in the game for this stuff.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)that argument is going to be effective considering his record on many issues.
Whenever I find myself whining about the imperfections of this or that Democratic candidate, I whip out my magic word:
SCOTUS.
Repeat daily until November 2016.
SCOTUS.SCOTUS.SCOTUS.SCOTUS.SCOTUS.SCOTUS.SCOTUS.SCOTUS.SCOTUS.SCOTUS.
SCOTUS.SCOTUS.SCOTUS.SCOTUS.SCOTUS.SCOTUS.SCOTUS.SCOTUS.SCOTUS.SCOTUS.
SCOTUS.SCOTUS.SCOTUS.SCOTUS.SCOTUS.SCOTUS.SCOTUS.SCOTUS.SCOTUS.SCOTUS.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)I voted in every election since I turned 18.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Period.